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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 3, 2005 11:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by Ming on Jun 3, 2005 11:42:28 GMT -5
I am wondering if this DVD is available in Hong Kong. If it is , I am going to buy it. Actually, how long is the interview?
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Post by enigma on Jun 3, 2005 17:51:02 GMT -5
I doubt I will be getting the This Is Your Life DVD for the reason that the Carpenters are only on one segment and it is a little expensive for a half hour to hour of Carpenter footage. It does look really good and Karen looks like shes having fun dispite looking a little uncomfortable. I base this on the preview I saw on ET. I do however have the Jerry Dunphy interview from 1971 however. I really like this show you get a glimpse into the inner workings of the Carpenters its really intimate right in their home. The unusual thing about this show is its intimatcy not many artists that were at the level of the Carpenters allow you into their home and play host to you all on camera. I have never seen an interview done quite in this fashion I also liked the behind the scenes of Karen and Richard doing the overdubs and the recording studios as well as the insights on how they try to please their fans. Really interesting stuff.  |
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 3, 2005 20:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jun 3, 2005 20:07:49 GMT -5
Thank you Dave for the congrats.
Yes Dave Cynthia Gibb did wear some cloths that Karen actually wore one example was the jogging suit she wore that was worn by Karen. Also Cynthia went to a dangerously low weight herself to become Karen in her later year she said it almost killed her.Talk about really getting into her role.
I don't know about the Agnes thing I do recall her having a job outside the home but I do not remember what it was It could have been what you heard it was Dave maybe Richard will give you a more concise answer.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 3, 2005 20:10:11 GMT -5
Things you find looking up other things... Enigma, congrats on the "upgrade". Now you get a better seat at the Saturday Night Basement Party! Speaking of Saturday Night Basement party. I'm hoping we may be able to start this up again. I think Roland and Dave started it about four or five months ago and it rans for a few weeks. Enigma gave me the idea of starting a chat room. I think it might be fun to do a Saturday Night Basement Party Chat Room. What does everyone think?  |
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Post by cam83 on Jun 3, 2005 20:35:07 GMT -5
Fun Fun FUn
Cam
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Post by karen69roland on Jun 3, 2005 22:18:25 GMT -5
 Yeah, that'd be cool. 
The last one was in early September, so..., 9 months ago. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300]  [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 4, 2005 0:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that'd be cool.
The last one was in early September, so..., 9 months ago. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]   Wow, nine months. How time flies when you're having fun. I was tooling around with editing a chat room. If all works out next Saturday night we'll have our first "Saturday Night Basement Party Chat Room". Remember to bring some goodies... Will have more info in a day or two. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 4, 2005 1:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jun 4, 2005 6:42:21 GMT -5
I of course like that idea as well chat rooms can be alot of fun and the SNBP was pretty fun before. Rick thats interesting about the Valentines Day analogy and remember Richard said their album covers before Now and Then were like Valentines cards. The Carpenters with all their beautiful love songs are a perfect match for a romantic day like Valentines Day.  
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Jun 4, 2005 8:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 5, 2005 0:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jun 5, 2005 6:57:08 GMT -5
Interesting observations Rick its amazing the difference between now and then. I was so young when I first started loving the Carpenters I never even knew what anorexia nervosa was had no clue what was going on. I just remember noticing Karen getting thinner and never knowing why. Now these private battles cannot remain private and everyone seems to know a celeberties business but then it just was not made public knowledge and the info was not as easy to get, No Rick I do not think anyone outside the Carpenters camp had any idea what was going on and definately did not know what was coming 12 years later you know what they say about hindsight. The Agnes thing seems to fit what Karen had to endure throughout her life being eclipsed by Richard from the family standpoint yet ironically it was Karen who eclipsed Richard from the standpoint of the outside world but she could barely even get the approval of her own mother rather sad. Tim, Thank You for the congrats I appreciate that |
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 5, 2005 21:55:55 GMT -5
Interesting insights Dave. Here's one I'd like to expand on... From what you've posted, did you really expect to learn something new, or were you surprised to have everything you already know reinforced? I went into this DVD not with the anticipation of learning anything or having any prior perceptions reinforced. But I went into it with the expectation of good fun entertainment. I was thrilled to be able to see a young and beautiful Karen and hear her speak. She had such an endearing personality. she conveyed a warmth in her mannerisms. Though on my second viewing of the DVD I did pay close attention to Agnes and it was certainly evident that she favored Richard. It was interesting to see this after reading about it. Back in the 70's it just was not evident that the Carpenter family had such strong issues. Or maybe I just didn't notice it because no one ever talked about the private family dynamics of the Carpenters. The Carpenters must have had some excellent publicity agents. I really do not recall ever seeing Carpenters (Karen or Richard) in any of the gossips rags. Not until Karen passed away - but news like that you know everybody is going to cover. Anyway though back to the DVD. Yes, it was interesting to see hints of what I've read about and heard in documentaries. But when it comes right down to it. I'm not really concerned with the Carpenter Family's "skeletons in the closet" as I am with seeing Karen's bright smile and hearing her sing. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 6, 2005 8:39:33 GMT -5
Well yes its probably better to leave yesterday behind. I will give you my take on "family secrets" whatever happened, happened is it important to the music absolutely not is it important to get an understanding of why Karen did what she did definately. If one does not want to know what happened thats fine leave the secrets buried with Karen for me I like to get a complete picture of Karen. I do not feel a need to dig too deep because I am not sure I will want to see what I find what I do want just for informations sake is to get a better understanding of why the woman who had everything slowly killed herself and did not do so with the intention of killing herself but ended up dieing all the same. I want the question of "why Karen Why" answered. I want to fully understand anorexia nervosa and unfortunately family plays a chief role in understanding this disorder. So while I could easily leave yesterday behind I do not wish to I like to be informed and get the whole story or the big picture regarding this. Do I have any business doing this or any right to do this maybe not but I have trouble with unanswered questions my personality dictates that I search for and find some answers. As far as the "any new info question" well because Agnes has been consistant in her handling of Karen and Richard I can better understand that it is not a deliberate act. Agnes is not being deliberately abusive to Karen she is just doing what she has always done. I also see that it is not all that unusual for a parent to forget another child(ren) when they are so focussed one one childs sucess. This is just something that is interesting from a Sociological standpoint and having a background in that discipline I cant help but to focus on family dynamics and such things. In short the music is the most important thing to me but I will always be interested in things that are not musically related when it comes to Karen I like to know the person behind the voice what made Karen what she was. I am sorry if people feel its irrelevant and best not talked about but I do find it interesting. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 6, 2005 9:31:12 GMT -5
 Enigma you bring up some excellent points. I also want to know why Karen let this happen to her. But I have a problem when it becomes speculation and gossip. There are so many people out there trying to say things that just didn't happen. So maybe I become protective or defensive when it comes to speculation about Karen. Though bottom line when I do watch a video/DVD on anything to do with Carpenters it's for the entertainments sake. I've already done the speculations and looking for answers. And there are only so many anwers to find. So now I just want to enjoy what Karen (and Richard) have done. Enigma I like what you say about Agnes - not intentionally acting this way toward Karen. I agree to a point. I think Agnes didn't mean to put Karen down. But more so wanted the public to realize that Richard had just as much talent as Karen did. After all the public perceived Carpenters as primarily being Karen. I know I did. Of course Richard was there - but really to me Carpenters were all about Karen. |
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Post by cam83 on Jun 6, 2005 15:09:29 GMT -5
Hi All,
I learn new stuff about Karen all the time. I too, want to find out more about her. I am intrigued. What made her do this? What made her act this way? How did the family dynamics play out, in this situation? I must confess, I like to find out things about her. Same way in my life. I do a lot of genealogy and historical stuff in my family lineage, and when I ask the old timers...the ones in their 80's and 90's, I ask them lots of stuff, lots of questions...I want to see things from every angle...and then work my thoughts into giving the situation a proper balance in my understanding. So the same, for me, applies to Karen. In my Karen fiction, I took stuff that I knew, and had read about her from many sources, and that was kinda like a skeleton of a structure...then I breathed life into her, to make her real. I added bits and pieces together, to make something resembling Karen's dreams and goals, fears and tears etc.
But I don't cry or tear up when I think of Karen. I feel that she was a person like each of us, and our turn will come to die. She wasn't any better than us. Just creatively she was gifted and had that drive. I feel sad sometimes, but realize that is life...the way things are...I move on...and try to live life as much as I can to the fullest...
I know Agnes loved Karen. But patterns take a long time to change...and from her generation...rarely ever change...but at least she gave Karen that hug in New York, at the therapy session the family was involved in...
Cam
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