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Post by JIM on Aug 20, 2004 6:29:06 GMT -5
Back in 87 when time was released, it included a track titled THATS WHAT I BELIEVE featuring Scott with Richard on backing vocals. In the liner notes from time Richard mentions Scotts potential as a recording artist but I was unaware that a complete album had been produced until now!!! I did some searching and there are a few copies for sale at GEMM. It was produced and arranged by Richard at A&M with Richard singing back up vocals. Can't wait to hear it. JIM
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Post by Rob813 on Aug 20, 2004 17:59:47 GMT -5
I was wondering about Scott Grimes. Thanks for the info. That's What I Believe is an excellent song on the "Time" album. He has a great voice. I'll have to find that album.
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Post by JIM on Aug 20, 2004 19:32:05 GMT -5
Hey Rob. When TIME was released back in 87 I kind of got the impression from the liner notes that an album for Scott was a maybe and back then you did not have the luxury of the internet to turn to for information. However there was a complete album produced by Richard at A&M titled Scott Grimes. From what I can gather it is fairly good but as with TIME and other projects did not recieve enough promotion and fell off the radar. I like Scotts cut from Time and Richard sings back up vocals on every song as he did with Akiko on City Of Angels and from the review I read sounds very Carpenters with a couple of note worthy ballads. There are only a few around so here is the link www.gemm.comJIM
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Post by Rob813 on Aug 21, 2004 15:57:36 GMT -5
Jim, I can't believe the prices they are asking on gemm. I purchased a used CD of "Time" on e-bay a couple of weeks ago. I bought it for 20.50. I saw it on gemm for 66.00! I wish I could sample some of the songs on the Scott Grimes CD before purchasing it. I'm sure it's qujte good with Richard as the producer. Too bad that A&M did such a lousy job of promoting it. If Karen and Richard were not as talented as they were, I'm sure they would have suffered the same fate given A&M's treatment of them! That studio seems to shoot themselves in the proverbial foot time after time!!!
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Post by JIM on Aug 21, 2004 16:33:18 GMT -5
Man Rob! I can't beleive the prices you found where so hi! I purchaced Scott Grimes for 13.99. I wonder if they increase prices when they detect a demand. JIM
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Post by JIM on Aug 21, 2004 16:40:35 GMT -5
Hey Rob. I was notified by the seller that the disc was already in the mail and I should be recieving it in 3 to 5 days. I will give a listen and post a review. Maybe it will burn up from the florida heat. I try not to leave CD's in my car? JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 21, 2004 23:02:50 GMT -5
I have the Scoot Grimes album on cassette. I found it in a thrift store in 2001. I only listened to it once or twice but soon forgot about it because it was over shadowed by "As Time Goes By" which I received my Japanese import in the mail only days after I found the Scott Grimes cassette. I will also give it a listen and share my views on it.
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Post by JIM on Aug 30, 2004 3:31:32 GMT -5
Hey Rob. The Scott Grimes disc arrived today!! I listened to all the songs once so I can't give a review. However the album is better then I expected. There are a 4 or 5 songs that really sound like the Carpenters. The only thing I can say about the album I don't like is all of electronic sounds. I would love it if Richard had used more live insturmentation. CALL ON ME which has a strong resemblence to I'M NOT IN LOVE ALONE is a great ballad. WALKIN ON THE WATER really makes the album worth it!!! It even has Richard and Scott dong shoo oop do oops on this very happy song! I really love it and I am sure the rest of the songs will grow on me with TIME. Anyone who loves the Carpenters should have this along with Akiko's City of Angels in there collection. JIM
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Post by JIM on Aug 30, 2004 3:46:11 GMT -5
I just checked Gemm and there are 7 Scott Grimes CD's in stock and the price is still 15.99!! I would grab one before there gone. JIM
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Post by beaner on Aug 30, 2004 5:18:04 GMT -5
Hey thanks, everyone, for all the tips. I did see it on Amazon but didn't order it. I think I will now cause I'm curious.
I know Scott Grimes also starred in the movie Mystery, Alaska which is one of my favorite movies too.
I'll have a listen and let you all know what I thought too.
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Post by JIM on Aug 30, 2004 5:58:49 GMT -5
Wow Beaner! I can't beleive Scotts album is available through amazon. I would never have thought to look there because it has been out of print so long. JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 30, 2004 10:30:02 GMT -5
I took another listen to the Scott Grimes cassette which I have. My view on the album may not be a popular one, but this is my take on it. The musicianship is excellent. Some of it reminds me of Richard's solo album "Time". I really like the backup vocals they are very Carpenteresque. Although Scott does technically sing extremely well, I just don't like his voice. I think Richard should have encouraged Scott to utilize the masculine sounding side of his voice. Every once in a while Scott uses the lower deeper rich tones of his voice, but for the most part he's singing in a higher range which sounds too much like a 12 year old Donny Osmond or preteen Michael Jackson. I am not trying to knock Donny Osmond or Michael Jackson, this is just my own take on Scott Grimes' album. Music is excellent, vocals could be a bit more masculine sounding. www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001KNUZQ/populasongsmu-20
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Post by JIM on Sept 10, 2004 18:23:42 GMT -5
Hey Rick. Its funny you compared Scotts voice to a 12yr old Donny Osmond! I think he sounds like a Star Search contestant. After listening to the album a few times some of the songs are starting to grow on me but only because of the backing vocal arrangements with RC. My favorite track is What Am I Gonna Say. Its in a lower key and the ending has a cool RC harmony. Also Walkin On The Water. The liner notes read produced by RC and Herb Albert! Wow to have such a distinguished team producing your first album. It still seems odd that RC didn't choose a more mature vocalits to produce. JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 11, 2004 0:49:50 GMT -5
It still seems odd that RC didn't choose a more mature vocalits to produce. JIM It is impressive that RC and Alpert produced Scott Grimes' debut album. Grimes by the way was 17 when the album was released. Jim, I also wondered why Richard would not have chosen a more mature vocalist to produce. Scott Grimes' album was extremely well produced and musically it was outstanding. The background vocals are very Carpenteresque and also excellent. I think part of the reason the album didn't sell is that Richard needed more of a deep darker full bodied voice to produce. All I can say is if Karen was the voice instead of Scott these songs would have all been outstanding gems. Karen would have been a natural with the upbeat recording of "You've Got A Friend", it would have been a top ten hit in 1989 for the Carpenters.
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Post by JIM on Sept 11, 2004 10:51:18 GMT -5
Amen Rick. I could not agree more! I am glad you mentioned You've Got A Friend. This is a song that by the title had me thrilled but I kept skipping it because I did not like the introduction. After I gave the song a chance, I had a change of opinion. Now I hear Richards genius arranging at work. It reminds me of Ticket To Ride, only this time it was a ballad switched to a up tempo, Swing Jazz arrangement. I remember reading that Karen shelled out 100thousand dollars for the production of her solo album. I wonder what the cost was for this production. JIM
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Post by Rob813 on Sept 11, 2004 22:18:02 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info on Scott Grimes. I must say, you don't inspire me to rush out and buy the album. The inevitable comparison with Karen seem to make us sour on everybody else. I thought that Scott's voice was quite high on the "Time" album. I don't think I would like an entire album of his high voice. It seems that would limit the album to a period piece. I too find it strange that Richard chose to produce Scott's album and not some more mature singer. Perhaps he was deliberately trying to avoid the Karen comparisons. As I've said before, Karen's shadow is excruciatingly difficult to toil in. I'm certain Richard has been all to aware of this.
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Post by JIM on Sept 12, 2004 8:50:58 GMT -5
Hey Rob. Its cool. I understand how you feel. I think Richard was still lost and looking for a direction for his life in87. From what I have read Herb Albert was the driving force in choosing Scott as a recording artist and teamed him up whith Richard. I am certain that Richards heart ached through the entire production. Honestly I think it would of made more sense to produce another RC solo with guest artist like Olivia or Carol King on the same songs, minus the electronic overkill. I try to avoid focusing on Scott and focus on richards backing vocals they, as usual, so well crafted. I have a vocal elimimanator program in my PC. I think I am going to eliminate Scott and keep Richard. How are things going with your anxiety? Hang in there. I will send good thoughts your way. JIM
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Post by OceanKing on Sept 12, 2004 15:03:05 GMT -5
Well, the word got out. I just checked Amazon and even the USED copies of Scott's album are priced at $49.99.
I guess I won't be buying it.
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