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Post by Federico Cruz on Nov 16, 2004 7:30:27 GMT -5
Can you imagine cause aren't in the high levels of previous Carps recordings, never get Leave Yesterday Behind, Nowhere Man, Rainbow Connection, etc., etc.?
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Post by enigma on Nov 16, 2004 11:43:35 GMT -5
Dave first of all I am not a lawer like yourself so I really don't see the Carpenters from a legal stand point. As Rick said I am speaking of the music we were talking about albums were we not? Unfinished songs can be finished Dave. The Beatles recieved a demo called Free As A Bird by Yoko Ono and completed the track it was a difficult task because it was on a tape recorder and could not be separated (vocal from piano) but with alot of work it turned out good. The same can be done with a Karen vocal or a peace of a song. The medley suggestion is not far fetched todays technology can make it work. Also I find it hard to believe that all those songs on the buried treasure list are incomplete vocals or no vocals at all there are so many some are bound to be completed (at least at the work lead point) and with Richards production ability can be finished. And as Federico said ther are still completed songs that are in the bin still not released (television specials etc.)
I do not know where you picked 1978 from but if Karen had survived and Richard did not she certainly would have recorded more remember she did not want to wait for Richard and recorded her solo record and as far as being emotionally strong enough well it would be difficult at first but she would get over that again remember when she recorded her solo record she missed working with Richard but she did soldier on and finished the project and had a good time without Richard. Not so sure if she would be doing Carpenter projects like Richard is probably not.
As far as going to Richards house or him shedding any light on this don't count on it. If he intends to release any unfinished songs and that is a big if he will do so when he's ready at his leisure. As I said I hope he does but if he does not no big deal.
BTW Dave like the idea for the album cover its humourous and has a grain of truth to it (no pun intended) not unlike The Beatles did with the (in)famous Butcher Cover. Good idea even if you were only joking.
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Post by beaner on Nov 16, 2004 13:04:18 GMT -5
I agree, for the most part, with both Enigma and Rick but I do have to say that even if I didn't like something Karen did, I would still go and buy it. After all, there are songs that I never really were fond of and not only grew to like but actually became favorites of mine. One thing I will say is that on some of the songs that Richard sings, he expressed his words so clear that it sounds a little corny sometimes. It's like, too perfect. I like it when a person relaxes a song and doesn't make such clear pronunciation. Slang it a little, if you will.
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Post by cam83 on Nov 16, 2004 14:03:58 GMT -5
Hello All, I have to disagree. Karen, I am sure, would have continued on. She would have done so, because she knew that Richard would have wanted her to continue on...with that voice! She could have done SO MUCH more!! And I believe he knew that too. The offers would have come in for her. Everyone wanting to duet with her and submit songs to her, now that her brother had passed. He kinda had control over her, and so with him gone, she would have carried on...maybe a bit timidly at first, but then gaining speed and on her own.
Cameron
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Post by karen69roland on Nov 16, 2004 18:01:36 GMT -5
I agree that she would have continued..., the singer that she was made her a star..., there would have been too much demand for her to continue..., and I think she would have responded to that demand. Richard did continue with a smaller demanding situation.
By the way, you people have made some solid posts on this subject..., and yes, enigma, Dave's imagination was pretty good on the cover thing..., Funny Dave. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by OceanKing on Nov 16, 2004 19:11:05 GMT -5
Like the rest of you, I would like to see more new releases. But let's not forget that since Karen's death, she has released FIVE albums of new songs: Voice of the Heart, An Old Fashioned Christmas, Lovelines, Karen Carpenter, and As Time Goes By. That has to be some sort of record for a deceased pop star! (And I'm not even counting the new songs on Interpretations or From the Top because they were more like bonus tracks on compilations.) Chances are good that after all these releases, Richard is now running out of material that he deems CD-worthy. As he finishes cleaning out the vault, I suspect he will become even more particular about how and when the remaining tracks are made public. That said, I think he probably has enough material left for one more new CD: the unreleased studio songs, the TV special songs, some live concert performances. I just wish he'd pick up the pace a bit. He's not getting any younger.... and neither are we!!
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Post by Rick Henry on Nov 16, 2004 20:46:17 GMT -5
wow, where do I begin to reply in this conversation. I also feel karen would have continued. Certainly I'm sure there would have been a contractual obligation to A&M Records. Karen certainly would have continued recording new music with other producers and arrangers and songwriters. We would have had a wealth of new music. A lot of disco, light rock, and stylish mellow jazz - it seems that's the direction Karen wanted to go. I just really get this feeling that she didn't want to be recording ballads and standards anymore. She was young and youthful and I think she wanted to be upbeat and fun with her music.
Yes - Dave you do have a crazy imagination. I doubt that i will ever meet Richard.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Nov 16, 2004 21:41:07 GMT -5
... I think he probably has enough material left for one more new CD: the unreleased studio songs, the TV special songs, some live concert performances. I just wish he'd pick up the pace a bit. He's not getting any younger.... and neither are we!! We, the generation from 1970 to 1980 made the Carpenters a perdurable act, then, to us belong these unreleased songs for hear before we died!
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Post by karen69roland on Nov 17, 2004 11:19:28 GMT -5
If we look at the "act" the Carpenters as an automobile, then Karen becomes the "engine" and Richard the "driver". The engine gave out in '83, and the driver is coasting to the finish line... Another good one, Funny Dave. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Nov 18, 2004 10:43:34 GMT -5
@@ Once again Dave you do have some excellent points here. None of us were there or involved in the process - so we can't really say much about what is in the vaults. But I do know that I would like to see another release of the unreleased. There are some songs Richard won't release because he says they aren't appropriate Carpenters material. These are the songs I'd really like to hear most. I wouldn't be surprised if there is something excellent which Richard feels just isn't suitable for the Carpenters. We are our own worst critic - and I think that goes for Richard. Look at what he thinks of the masterpiece "Horizon" - he thinks the album drags. I myself think it's dynamic and powerful - who's to say who's right.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Nov 18, 2004 11:58:24 GMT -5
Hey guys and gals, I posted something I found on the internet on the "Karen solo/New York" thread about THIS VERY TOPIC and what's out there in the "vaults." Check it out - I had no idea this would be the better thread to post it.
It's so cool to me that there are so many opinions out there, and so many ideas about Karen and Richard.
Rick - I'm with Dave, never say never - I mean, just look at the fact that he just sent me a LETTER AND PHOTO - so atypical Richard - I think, perhaps, something has been happening with him recently that may allow him to open up to us (fans) after all - and I think that something is the outpouring still of love he's reading via his new Carpenters website.
Take heart - a new day is coming, and hopefully, some new Karen and Richard Carpenter music!!!!
For now, Tim
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Post by karen69roland on Nov 18, 2004 20:43:56 GMT -5
Finally..., Federico Cruz is now a member..., well..., a new member with 290 posts..., hmmm..., we don't see that too many times...
[glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Nov 18, 2004 22:34:24 GMT -5
Finally..., Federico Cruz is now a member..., well..., a new member with 290 posts..., hmmm..., we don't see that too many times...
[glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] hi all -yes Federico is a new member with 290 posts. I did that for him - as he's one of the original participants on THE CARPENTERS ONLINE forum. here's a little history of the forum. I started the website on November 17, 2004 ( we just had our two year anniversary). When the website was started we (we being myself and two friends Sammy and Tom aka Boat2Sail) had our first forum through a forum server named Voy Forums. It was a nice forum but it didn't have any fun features like this one. Anyway Federico was posting on that forum from day one. After a few months I changed to a new forum server called Amazing Forums and Federico followed to the new forum. I kept that forum only a few months - it took too long to log in. Finally I ended up here with this forum which is served by ProBoards. Proboards offers an excellent forum with all kinds of bells and whistles -and guess what when I made the move Federico followed here. We've been on the forum now since I believe July 2003.
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Post by carp1ncmor on Nov 19, 2004 19:10:46 GMT -5
I saw a Ford commercial the other day with a computer-generated Steve McQueen starring in it. It was as if Steve was actually alive! What they can do with computers nowadays. I wonder if Karen's voice could be used to computer-generate new songs...just a thought. I know it wouldn't be the same but, yeah, better than no new Karen material at all! It's just that I miss her so much.
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Post by JIM on Nov 19, 2004 23:33:37 GMT -5
!@ Hey Carp1ncmor that thought has crossed my mind a time or two and all though computers seem to be approaching something like this I don't think a computer could ever capture the spirit or essense that made Karens voice so unique. She sang from a place not even the most powerul computers will ever find. I do understand how you feel and I miss her all the time to. Sometimes I just can't understand why really awfull people seem to live on and on and someone as special as Karen was taken so young! It just not fair.
JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Nov 20, 2004 0:26:18 GMT -5
This is amazing. About five years ago a friend of mine had mentioned something about computer generating Karen's voice. he said they can take bits and pieces of her voice and generate new sounds from the pieces to create new songs. It's a possibilty, but as Jim says Karen's voice comes from somewhere deep within and no computer can ever come close to true soul.
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Post by FedericoCruz on Nov 20, 2004 12:39:14 GMT -5
And I am very proud to have all of you for friends. This Forum is like my third home (after my job, due I spend the most of the day there). Rick , I have no experience using the computer. Could you add more information about me in my personal file?. My e-mail is no visible. Thanks.....
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Post by Rick Henry on Nov 20, 2004 20:52:02 GMT -5
Hi Federico - yes I will email you and get more info from you...
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