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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 21, 2004 13:05:12 GMT -5
Still I don't own of any Horizon CD (first edition or Remastered Serie), but my original LP has reverberation in the first notes of Only Yesterday. Every compilation that has this song, doesn't have reverberation. But if somebody has this CD, could tell me how it sounds Only Yesterday? Please...
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 21, 2004 14:01:39 GMT -5
Hi Federico, I would buy "Horizon" immediately on CD. You are missing some great songs that are not on compilations like "Desperado", "Goodbye and I Love You", and "Love Me for What I Am". I'm not sure of what you mean by reverberation, but the remastered issue of "Horizon" is the same mix as the original vinyl issue from 1975.
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Post by Ming on Oct 21, 2004 20:03:03 GMT -5
Yes ."Only yesterday" on "horizon" is much longer than other versions on different compilations.It has reverberation. I love it.
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Post by enigma on Oct 22, 2004 1:03:36 GMT -5
Where in the song (time wise) are you talking about I don't notice any reverberation in any of the song and I own the original non remastered (I do not think its remastered) CD from the box set. Maybe I do not know or recognise reverberation in a song.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 22, 2004 8:28:54 GMT -5
Well, I have all the Carps. vinyls, minus Loveliness and YOM. My Carps. CD collection is hard to complete here in my country. You only will find in two or three places A Song For You, Carpenters, Close To You, Interpretations, Love Songs, YOM, CP,Now and Then, Singles 69-81 and some years ago, Singles 69-73. You will never see Horizon, AKOH, Passage, MIA and VOTH . Some years ago I got Loveliness and recently, As Time Goes By imported costly from japan. The reverberation on CD remain in the song Sandy(in the japan compilation Treasures). In Only Yesterday the reverberation always was after the line "After long enough of beeing alone" and after the second next line "Every one must face..."
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 22, 2004 8:35:05 GMT -5
An example of reverberation is in the song Get Together from Ticket To Ride album, and still it is in the CD format.
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 22, 2004 9:26:59 GMT -5
Hi Federico, I do remember you mentioning quite sometime ago that it's hard to find certain Carpenters CD's in the Dominican Republic. opefully they will be easier to find in the future. I guess I'm going to have to put my headphones on and listen for the reverberation.
Regardless, I love "Only Yesterday", this is one fantastic song.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 22, 2004 14:58:33 GMT -5
... I guess I'm going to have to put my headphones on and listen for the reverberation. What?. But that reverberation was very noticeable for my ears when I heard that album for the first time! You were only a kid when Horizon was release for the first time and you are accustomed to hear only CD formats. I think you own Horizon in vinyl, could you give it a listen?
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Post by enigma on Oct 22, 2004 17:15:52 GMT -5
Thanks Federico I thought I was misusing the word (reverb) when I described Get Together(thought I had the correct term). Still don't hear it on OY even on headphones. I think that is what Rick is referring to not the GT song where reverb is clear.
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Post by BethMosior on Oct 25, 2004 2:03:19 GMT -5
Federico, if its alright with you I can send you some extra CD's I have, I would love for you to have if that is OK with you, it really would be my pleasure to share them with you
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 25, 2004 17:41:07 GMT -5
Only with one condition: if you accept that I send you some Carps material that you still don't own. I have the 9 unreleased Karen solo songs and the 12 songs from Your Navy Presents radio program. Do you have these items? I could send you by mail a well done CD copy of each one. What a nice and kind human being you are, Beth!!....
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Post by BethMosior on Oct 26, 2004 4:12:27 GMT -5
Thanx Federico, I don't have those things you mentioned, its a deal, but you really don't have to, if you don't want to I just love Karen & Richard soooooooo much, that I just hate the thought of someone missing out on all the wonderful music- together or solo- I didn't know that Karen & Richard did a whole show on ' Your Navy Presents and I have not heard all of Karen's solo music, just some of it cooooooooool Thanx ever so much Federico
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 26, 2004 12:14:01 GMT -5
I think you're referring to the studio acoustics used during the session. There are many acoustics available, from flat (no echo) to full echo (like the song Elvis recorded in a stairwell!). It shows up on the recording on "Gold", and I believe that's what you mean. It gives the recording more "body", just one of those intangibles. YES!. That's it! : FLAT. I think the old LP's have more "body" than the actual CD's.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 26, 2004 12:25:36 GMT -5
Thanx Federico, I don't have those things you mentioned, its a deal, but you really don't have to, if you don't want to. I just love Karen & Richard soooooooo much, that I just hate the thought of someone missing out on all the wonderful music- together or solo. I didn't know that Karen & Richard did a whole show on ' Your Navy Presents and I have not heard all of Karen's solo music, just some of it:cooooooooool. Thanx ever so much Federico. Well, go ahead: I will prepare the two CD copies(they are well equalized and have good sound, but not crystal clear) I need your address. Mine is: Federico Cruz calle 9 #19, urbanizaciĆ³n Llanos de Gurabo Santiago, Rep. Dominicana Telf.: 734-0042
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Post by BethMosior on Oct 26, 2004 18:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Oct 27, 2004 19:38:39 GMT -5
Hello everyone on this post. My name is Tim, user name is YesterdayOnceMore, and I have posted elsewhere in the forum. However, I'm intrigued by Federico's question. I don't think I've ever "noticed" whether or not the original vinyl recording of Only Yesterday - I have all of the original vinyl sides, at least everything done here in America - don't have all the Japanese albums, though I need to start collecting those, I suppose. AT any rate, Federico you mentioned that you have CD's of some unreleased KC solo stuff? Did I understand that correctly? And, you would perhaps be willing to make a copy for me? I would truly love to hear Karen sing something I've never heard her do before, and she did her solo album with some friends of mine who play in Billy Joel's band - Liberty DeVitto, and others.....that would be so cool. I would be glad to "pay" you for your efforts, or send you something I have that you don't....whatever that might be. I'm not sure I have much - I do have autographs that I got at the Missouri State Fair in 1971, but I can't part with those - I have some photos of when Karen and Rich came to Springfield that I could scan for you....you tell me what you might like - I'd be happy to trade you anything I could in order to hear these unreleased tunes. And....I'll listen tonight very closely to my Only Yesterday vinyl to see if I can detect any reverb......
"....tomorrow may be even brighter than today ..."
;D
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Post by BethMosior on Oct 27, 2004 22:57:02 GMT -5
In the morning It will be in the mail Federico Yahooooooooo hope you enjoy them and that you get the sound you wanted I know that I get different sounds from different CD players, it just depends on the make of the player, but ya know what ?* one way or the other I just love Karen & Richard, they sound great to me on any CD player, OK I'm addicted to Karen & Richard to me they are the GREATEST EVER &^ ^^
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 27, 2004 23:24:12 GMT -5
Federico; I don't know how good your grasp of technical English is, but here are some things for you to consider: The original master tapes are just that: magnetic tapes. Sound is impressed upon a ferrous oxide coating by modulating a magnetic field at whatever the audio rate is. The total frequency response becomes limited by the bandwidth of the tape recorder's head, and the quality of the tape used. Due to certain physical limitations, the tape begins to break down with age, especially if it is handled carelessly and stored with little regard to emvironmental conditions (I'd love to know how Richard is storing those 35 year old masters!), which results in the appearance of "hiss", which raises the "noise floor" and lowers the "dynamic range". Asleep yet? Good. Now we get into basic mechanics of vinyl vs. CDs. Vinyl records depend upon the mechanical motion of the needle in the stylus to reproduce the sound information which is stored in the grooves of the vinyl. Over time, the simple act of the needle rubbing in the grooves will cause wear on the vinyl, since most needles are diamond. This causes hiss, scratches, pops, and distortion. Once again, dynamic range suffers. CDs, when new, provide playback fidelity capability which is only limited by the quality of our playback equipment. Trust me, if you took your "Gold" CD over to Richard's home and played it on his system, it wouldn't sound anything like it does on yours and mine! The difference would make the hair on your arms stand up! Dave: I learned something new today thanks to you!
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