Mariah Andrews
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Post by Mariah Andrews on Sept 21, 2004 10:18:03 GMT -5
Mainly a question to the fans with kids. What do your kids think of the Carpenters music? In what ways have you introduced it to them?
Elvis and Beatles fans are already multi-generationed, i wonder if Carpenters fans will be too in about 30 years or so.
I know that we are ourselves keeping the legacy going 21 years after Karen's last breath. But how big could this phenomenon be?
I'm sure Richard himself would be happy at age 85, provided that he lives that long, if people were still buying his records. But how much more material can he put together? Is there more stuff Karen had recorded that we haven't heard yet?
(Prince has recorded enough material to release a new album each year until 2015, according to a report 10 years ago.)
I would love to wonder if 30 years from now they still play the Carpenters songs and if kids in those days to come will love them and yearn interest. I do believe in the preservation of good music. I wonder how many others are playing their part.
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Post by Moe on Sept 21, 2004 10:33:49 GMT -5
Good question!
I play the Carpenters for my 5 year old, but he isn't into music as of yet. When he is, I will have the Carpenters saturated into his life!
I have older nephews (teens and early twenties) who know the Carpenters but don't like their music. They are more into classic rock like the Eagles and Styx and Journey. I like them, too, but prefer the sound of Karen and Richard. Their mothers like the Carpenters, but the fathers don't, so I think that is the deciding factor on what is good music and what isn't. The older ones also have the peer presure to deal with and fit into the same category as their friends.
As far as the Carpenters music lasting to the next generation, I don't think that will be a problem. Their sound is timeless and will always find a responsive audience.
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Post by Peteruk on Sept 21, 2004 12:41:35 GMT -5
Well many do not come to listen to Carpenters music , albums or videos etc until later in life ....so the next generations will develop & continue Carpenters musical legacy .....  Really as if they needed it ...more concerts , TV appearances , plus a worldwide tour by Richard plus more Universal promotion would boost potential audiences even more ....Richard is happy with current & ongoing success ... Peter |
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Post by Rob813 on Sept 21, 2004 19:57:13 GMT -5
I think the answer to the next generation is already answered. I'm 49 and have been a fan for 34 years. Many fans today are much younger than me. So the legacy is already continuing. If demand for Carpenter music was not strong, Universal would never have commissioned Richard to do the compilation and unreleased work he has done. Older fans, like me, are not buying these albums. It's the younger fans, who are "new to the fold" that are discovering Karen and Richard for the first time. I know I'm biased, but Carpenter music is right at the top of the list in terms of quality and musianship. Regardless of how disrespected they were way back when, now that Karen has achieved an iconic status, Carpenter music will definitely endure. Long after we are gone, future generations will discover for themselves what we've known all along. The Carpenters are the best at what they do.
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 21, 2004 20:15:24 GMT -5
Excellent topic Mariah and very well versed.
Quality always prevails and is always in style, and the Carpenters were (and are) the epitome of quality musicianship. The Carpenters will probably be around a lot longer than any of us can imagine.
I agree that most people catch on to the Carpenters when your a little older, when you have learned more about musicianship and are less into the whole peer pressure thing. I've found that C's fans are evenly spread between male and female - probably even leaning a slight bit more to the male ear.
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Post by Rob813 on Sept 21, 2004 20:24:29 GMT -5
I was speaking with a young muscian the other day. He's a drummer with a rock band. I asked him if he sang lead and of course he said no. I said that the only drummer I know who has sung lead is Karen Carpenter. He then told me what a great voice Karen had and what a shame about her death. So, even among young musicians and those who are more rock oriented, Karen is appreciated. I just thought everyone would enjoy hearing about this experience.
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 21, 2004 20:45:27 GMT -5
Did Phil collins actually play drums and sing lead vocal at the same time live in concert?
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Post by karen69roland on Sept 22, 2004 3:54:34 GMT -5
Did Phil collins actually play drums and sing lead vocal at the same time live in concert? 
Of course he did... I'm a big fan of early Genesis and besides playing the drums, he sang on one or two songs per albums during the days that Peter Gabriel was the lead singer(1969 - 1974).
Then, he became the lead singer of Genesis and was still playing the drums.
My favorite albums of him, as a lead singer of the band, are, both released in 1976, A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300]  [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland C.[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] |
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 22, 2004 7:39:23 GMT -5
Did Phil collins actually play drums and sing lead vocal at the same time live in concert? I have posed this question to a Phil Collins forum. To sing lead vocal and drum simultaneously during a live concert is very different from singing lead vocal and drumming on an album. On the album you record each seperately and then it's mixed together. In Genesis after Phil became lead vocalist they employeed a drummer named Chester Thompson to play drums for concerts. I will have more info. |
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Post by karen69roland on Sept 22, 2004 10:40:06 GMT -5
To sing lead vocal and drum simultaneously during a live concert is very different from singing lead vocal and drumming on an album. On the album you record each seperately and then it's mixed together.
Ok, I was a bit wrong about Phil's live duties..., and I'm glad I was..., that proves again how Karen was THE BEST. ;DI'm shure Collins could have played the drums and sing at the same time if he wanted, but, he let Bill Bruford(in 1976) and, then, Chester Thompson(1977 and up) do the drum work, live.
I saw him do those *drums duets* though.[glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland C.[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] |
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Post by Rob813 on Sept 22, 2004 19:39:47 GMT -5
OK we'll give Phil Collins the benefit of the doubt on this one. But, he IS a man and Karen was a woman. This means that the lead female is usually "out front" singing and pouring on the sexual charm. Karen did all that and more while sitting behind the drums and sang lead with a voice that was so extraordinary that Billboard magazine has rated her the number two singer of all time! I can tell you Phil Collins is NOT number one on that list!
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 22, 2004 19:55:20 GMT -5
Karen did all that and more while sitting behind the drums and sang lead with a voice that was so extraordinary that Billboard magazine has rated her the number two singer of all time! This is great! When did Billboard list Karen as the #2 singer off alltime? Is this recent? |
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Mariah Andrews
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Post by Mariah Andrews on Sept 23, 2004 1:02:18 GMT -5
Phil Collins is a great drummer, he has played with Eric Clapton, another one of my favorites of all time. He also filled in for the late John Bonham at a few one-off Led Zeppelin performances, post-1979.
As for Karen, she was one of a kind. There are few female drummers out there in the mainstream who sing and play concurrently. It is a hard instrument to sing and play at the same time. Ringo Starr played and sang onstage with the Fabs, but in the studio, it was overdubbed. Until this day, he still sings and plays drums onstage live. Roger Taylor of Queen did too.
Now, I wonder if the Carpenters will ever be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame. Or some sort of equal honor. To me, they had added a lot of influence to rock music, by introducing a cleaner image to it.
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 23, 2004 10:45:09 GMT -5
Phil Collins is a great drummer, he has played with Eric Clapton, another one of my favorites of all time. He also filled in for the late John Bonham at a few one-off Led Zeppelin performances, post-1979. As for Karen, she was one of a kind. There are few female drummers out there in the mainstream who sing and play concurrently. It is a hard instrument to sing and play at the same time. Ringo Starr played and sang onstage with the Fabs, but in the studio, it was overdubbed. Until this day, he still sings and plays drums onstage live. Roger Taylor of Queen did too. Now, I wonder if the Carpenters will ever be inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame. Or some sort of equal honor. To me, they had added a lot of influence to rock music, by introducing a cleaner image to it. Yes, Phil Collins is a great drummer. I love a lot of his work. I am, though, when it comes to Genesis more partial to Peter Gabriel. Others did sing and drum simultaneously, but I don't think anybody else sang quite as beautifully and naturally as Karen did while drumming. |
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