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Post by Federico Cruz on Sept 14, 2004 12:10:12 GMT -5
Instead of keep releasing compilation through compilation, I think is better for Universal Music-Richard to do american editions of these foreign CD releases that many of us still don't own: Yesterday Once More Original Master Karaoke (No Best of Best, only one cd without Karen's voice), Live At The Palladium, Time, An Old- Fashioned Christmas.
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 15, 2004 17:50:12 GMT -5
You bring up a good point. It seems as though all of the really good stuff gets released in Japan. Anyone know why that is, or is it my imagination? I believe the reason for that is the fact that Carpenters are still huge in Japan and have even been in the top 10 in Japan in the last few years. I believe a single of "I Need To Be In Love" was certified platinum in Japan in 2000, and a few years later "Gold" performed extremely well on the Japanese charts. In 1996-97 in Japan the compilation "22 Hits Of The Carpenters" sold over 2 million copies (that's a lot when you put it into proportion to their population). In the U.S. Carpenters still sell very well, but in the last ten years they've been on the charts only twice #106 in 1998 with "Love Songs" and #101 this year with "Gold: 35th Anniversary Edition". |
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Post by Federico Cruz on Sept 15, 2004 18:01:31 GMT -5
But, these last two CD's have been only compilation!!.
The american market no need more Carpenters compilations!!(with the exception of remixes, alternate versions or re-takes).
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Post by karen69roland on Sept 15, 2004 18:41:54 GMT -5
But, these last two CD's have been only compilation!!. The american market no need more Carpenters compilations!!(with the exception of remixes, alternate versions or re-takes).
The Carpenters are just bigger there.[glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300]  [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland C.[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] |
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 16, 2004 10:41:52 GMT -5
It seems that, in Japan, people don't care if it's a compilation or not...
The Carpenters are just bigger there.[glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland C.[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] The Carpenters are also quite popular in England. As long as those compilations continue to seel, they will continue to release them. This I see as a good thing because as long as there is something by the Carpenters generating sales, then the legacy of the Carpenters will continue to grow. |
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Post by Peteruk on Sept 16, 2004 17:57:17 GMT -5
This topic is a familar mixture of frustration , misunderstanding & Carpenters fans refrain :....what is going on ?.....  In terms of Japan , there have been masses of compilations from 1970's onwards ...that is because Japanese market & music buyers LOVE & BUY many of these releases ....sales have always been great in Japan and look set to continue ....  Actually Richard has not released many Carpenters hits compilations in USA ....only Singles 1969-1973 during 1970's ...! Yesterday Once More (1985) ...an overdue 2 CD set ...reissued as Classics for A&M 25th Anniversary ...  YOM (1998 -REMASTERED / REVISED SET) The Singles 1969-1981 (2000) with some rarities .... GOLD(2004) ...another fine 2 CD set .....  Other USA compilations are a mixture of TV Advertised Special Products via Time -Life or Readers Digest -again for a special music buyer ....not die hards or long term collectors like many of us .... Interpretations (1994/1995) is a special themed set with at least some major unissued material ... . Love Songs (1998) ....another themed collection ....not just a singles / hits album .... We all notice that as A&M is merged with Polygram and later Universal ....more of these sets plus some mid -price releases are coming out ....these huge Music companies just find it easier to market hits sets etc rather than new albums of unreleased material... Look at how Richard has had to fight Universal over actually releasing the wonderful As Tme Goes By album in USA & elsewhere ...only to see this set dumped out with no promotion .....Richard has no control over individual releases ...at least he has secured releases in key countries  Of course various albums should be out for all the fans ...but at present depends on the interest & support of Universal / A&M ....  As for the suggestions : Karaoke releases are rarely exported outside Japan ....doubt these albums would be issued ...  Richard's Time re-issue ....is overdue ....really we need to campaign for a re-mastered set via his official website ...interesting to see his response .... Great to have LIVE PALLADIUM remastered & re-issued ....even better for USA to have own LIVE SET issued at last .... We all need to be more vocal with Universal / A&M to issue fewer compilations worldwide ...and more special / rare releases and encourage Richard with our suggestions / recommendations .....But avoid DEMANDING ....none of us would appreciate that ..... Keep on being active -more great / interesting releases will emerge .... Peter |
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Post by Federico Cruz on Sept 16, 2004 22:51:29 GMT -5
Actually Richard has not released many Carpenters hits compilations in USA .... 1.Only Singles 1969-1973 during 1970's ...! 2.Yesterday Once More (1985) ...an overdue 2 CD set ... 3.Reissued as Classics for A&M 25th Anniversary ... 4.YOM (1998 -REMASTERED / REVISED SET) 5.The Singles 1969-1981 (2000) with some rarities .... 6.GOLD(2004) ...another fine 2 CD set ..... 7.Interpretations (1994/1995) is a special themed set with at least some major unissued material ... 8.Love Songs (1998) ....another themed collection ....not just a singles / hits album .... Peter Peter, you forgot: 9.Carpenters Perform Carpenter 10.The Millennium Collection Without mention From The Top and Essential Collection... |
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Post by Federico Cruz on Sept 16, 2004 22:59:34 GMT -5
And soon will arrive: Singles 69-81 in SACD.
We should buy later the entire Carpenters catalog in SACD?.
Hum....
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Post by Peteruk on Sept 17, 2004 11:30:00 GMT -5
Peter, you forgot: 9.Carpenters Perform Carpenter 10.The Millennium Collection Without mention From The Top and Essential Collection... Well you can include the first two if you want to ...one released as part of Universal mid-price line that all their music artists have had released .... Carpenters Perform Carpenter -was another themed collection -of original composed songs -not just more singles / chart hits ....again .... Box sets are not really compilations as these are only released for top artists / musicians ....both original box and revised 2002 Essential ....have 20 plus unissued / rare tracks ....essentially another album of unreleased material .... Main points are : 1. Universal / A&M issue many worldwide Carpenters compilations ...because these are very successful , provide great sales & profits for Music Giants & artists ... 2. Richard is happy to work on Carpenters compilations as these maintain Carpenters audience , attract new fans & allow Richard to rework , re-record , remix & improve Carpenters recording legacy ..... 3. These compilations are not intended for forum members & long term die-hard fans & collectors like most of us are ....we do not have to buy every new compilation ....and if we do ...that is our own free choice & free will ..... 4. Richard has provided five albums worth of unreleased material ( including box sets) plus a few other rare tracks and finally Karen Carpenter -Solo album is freely available for the fans to enjoy (plus bonus track) at last .... 5. Richard wants only to add to Carpenters recording legacy -he will not issue every archive track , alternate take, rarity etc -just because we want it ....and Universal are unlikely to issue these tracks ...perhaps future downloads will provide some of these tracks -not likely to be issued on CD albums... 6. Whilst Carpenters / Richard remain with Universal ...certain releases just will not happen -sad -but true -and others will take a great deal of persuasion both for Richard to complete future unreleased tracks & Universal to release it ....aka ....look at As Time Goes By release saga ... 7. More rare material can be issued ....this alongside future compilations ....let us encourage Richard & Universal to complete & release future Carpenters / Solo gems ....  Peter |
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Post by Sammy on Sept 17, 2004 20:46:01 GMT -5
Taking into the consideration all the issues with the release of "As Time Goes By" I wonder if there were issues in releasing Karen's solo in 1996. How long had they been planning the release of the solo album?
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Post by Peteruk on Sept 22, 2004 12:00:31 GMT -5
Karen's solo album non -release is a saga in it's own right -aside from all the meetings , issues and eventual shelving of Karen Carpenter in 1980 There were rumours of Karen's solo set being released during 1983 / 1984 ....perhaps by several fan groups ...ideally Richard would have issued VOTH in 1983 and Karen's solo album followed in 1984 ....this was the right time for release ....by the time 1996 release was agreed as Phil Ramone has stated ..several tracks were dated and radio was not likely to playlist many of these songs. A&M would have promoted this set in 1984 and certainly KC would have charted in USA top 100 , UK top 50 and in Japan The biggest surprise for fans proved to be Richard's inclusion of 4 solo tracks ( remixed ) and taking Lovelines title for this Carpenters 1989 release .... Certainly after all the years of non-release plus supposedly Richard's dislike of these tracks ....their appearance was a shock for many .... Karen Carpenter appeared in 1996 after Japan A&M / Polygram asked Richard for an album of mainly unissued songs , a solo set from Richard and suitable Carpenters release ....from this after meetings between A&M , Richard & Phil Ramone ...finally KC was scheduled for release Autumn 1996 ..... Best not to be waiting for a follow up set of Karen's solo out-takes ....fully completed , mixed & mastered ....unless Richard & Ramone champion this album ...cannot sadly see it happening ...mind you , many fans said the same 1980 >1996 .....!! More likely Richard may complete Something Missing plus another -perhaps for a future SACD release of KC in 2006 / 2007 /2008 .... Peter |
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Post by Rob813 on Sept 23, 2004 18:54:32 GMT -5
Just my two cents here. I think Peter has a tight grip on the logic here. I think Japanese and British fans have always been more enthusiastic in their love of Karen and Richard. The American public is much more fickle regarding their love of their artists. The fact is younger people are discovering the Carpenters for the first time. Older fans, like me, usually do not buy music at this stage of their lives. There are many other pressing concerns that occupy our minds. The fact that all this released material sells well is an indicator of the level of interest of younger fans. Those of is "old" folks will never be happy with whatever is released. We have to face the fact that we are frustrated and forever saddened by the loss of our Karen. We've been robbed of her presence and her voice. I know there is other material that could be released, but the well is not limitless. Karen only recorded so many songs in her 32 years. I too would like more, but I AM grateful for all I've got now. In truth, it's really a huge catalog of songs from the best singer we will ever hear!
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Post by Rick Henry on Sept 24, 2004 10:27:34 GMT -5
Karen Carpenter appeared in 1996 after Japan A&M / Polygram asked Richard for an album of mainly unissued songs , a solo set from Richard and suitable Carpenters release ....from this after meetings between A&M , Richard & Phil Ramone ...finally KC was scheduled for release Autumn 1996 ..... Best not to be waiting for a follow up set of Karen's solo out-takes ....fully completed , mixed & mastered ....unless Richard & Ramone champion this album ...cannot sadly see it happening ...mind you , many fans said the same 1980 >1996 .....!! More likely Richard may complete Something Missing plus another -perhaps for a future SACD release of KC in 2006 / 2007 /2008 .... Peter Yes there is a slim chance that the remaining unreleased Karen solo tracks will ever be released. But I am holding on to that hope, that they will one day be remixed and remastered and released. I just can't help but to think that this second set of song would sell better than the first set. I think over all the unreleased songs are stronger than what has been released. Who knows about "Basket Case" and "Church Choir (Wild)", has anybody here heard these songs or know anything about them? ...I can dream can't I?... |
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