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Post by JIM on Aug 26, 2004 21:24:13 GMT -5
Richard has mentioned in the past
the 3 B's Beach Boy's Beatles
and Bacharach as major influences
in there music. And out of these
3 I still can't understand why
Richard and Brian Wilson have not
coloaborated on a project? I think
it would be really cool if they
did.
JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 26, 2004 21:30:40 GMT -5
 Yes, Brian Wilson and Carpenters would have been a fantastic collaboration. I'm not sure but I think Wilson did not care for the Carpenters. At one point he said he found it embarrassing that the Carpenters mentioned his name in one of their songs (Boat To Sail). 
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Post by Rob813 on Aug 26, 2004 21:38:13 GMT -5
Considering the problems that Brian Wilson has had I'm not surprised at anything he has said. Of course there are others in the rock world who have criticized the Beach Boys for THEIR sound. Anyway, to me, it's just another example of how fractured the opinions about the Carpenters have been. The dyed in the wool rockers have never liked the Carpenters. The rest of us, and there are millions, feel differently. When I want to be comforted, inspired, loved, etc., I don't turn on the BB, I turn on the Carpenters. There in lies all the difference. Thanks Karen and Richard for giving us such wonderful music. We love you.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Aug 26, 2004 22:15:48 GMT -5
Richard has mentioned in the past the 3 B's Beach Boy's Beatles and Bacharach as major influences in there music. And out of these 3 I still can't understand why Richard and Brian Wilson have not coloaborated on a project? I think it would be really cool if they did. JIM It happened the same with the Beatles and partially with Burt Bacharach: early in their carreer, The Carpenters were an opening act for Bacharach in an benefit perform. Bacharach never had a collaboration in any Carpenters album. But, Herb Alpert did it in Ticket To Ride album: he was the shaker. It would be very cool if the trumpet we hear in the song Close To You belonged to Alpert.... |
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Post by Federico Cruz on Aug 26, 2004 22:34:32 GMT -5
Yes, Brian Wilson and Carpenters would have been a fantastic collaboration. I'm not sure but I think Wilson did not care for the Carpenters. At one point he said he found it embarrassing that the Carpenters mentioned his name in one of their songs (Boat To Sail). Boat To Sail? In that song Karen says: DeShannon is back....(because is a new Jackie DeShannon song, not a Wilson song). And indeed, The Carpenters, in their heydays, found embarrasing to have collaboration with any artist who had bad reputation or drug problems, due to their super clean image. So, we never saw the Carpenters in the disco wave or having contact with divas like Donna Summer, Cher, Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross or Bette Midler( I think it was a Bette Midler revenge to do jokes about the Carpenters image). |
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 27, 2004 1:11:08 GMT -5
Boat To Sail? In that song Karen says: DeShannon is back....(because is a new Jackie DeShannon song, not a Wilson song). And indeed, The Carpenters, in their heydays, found embarrasing to have collaboration with any artist who had bad reputation or drug problems, due to their super clean image. So, we never saw the Carpenters in the disco wave or having contact with divas like Donna Summer, Cher, Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross or Bette Midler( I think it was a Bette Midler revenge to do jokes about the Carpenters image). Yes, "Boat To Sail" is a wonderful Jackie DeShannon composition and the lyric mentions BRIAN WILSON: Bare foot, coconut and supermild Jamaica take a look At your own child Forget not Brian Wilson songs are never left behind Don’t you worry baby, you’re a friend of mine For so long |
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Post by JIM on Aug 27, 2004 3:53:30 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the info guys!
Its just so hard to believe that
Brian Wilson would choose to go
public with his feelings towards
the Carpenters as an embarasment.
I totally agree with you Rob. The
Beach Boys are fun but they can
never touch the soul in the way
the Carpenters can. There really
is something so profound and magical about the Carpenters sound.
I feel the reason so many people
reject the Carpenters is because
there music really hits them in
the heart and touches on issues
that most people would rather hide
from.
JIM
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Post by Moe on Aug 27, 2004 4:12:14 GMT -5
It would be a shame if Brian Wilson did say that. His own daughters, along with Chynna Phillips, have created a very easy and lush sound with their music. Wilson Phillips harmony and sound, though not anywhere near the Carpenters, are still in the same adult contemporary/easy listening category. I wonder what Brian thinks of their music?
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Post by enigma on Aug 27, 2004 7:29:10 GMT -5
Brian Wilson is as entitled to his opinion as you or I. Yes he may have been a little hard on the Carpenters but if he does not like them so be it. As a Carpenters fan I am used to people not showing them the proper respect they deserve. It is sad that The Carpenters idols would snub them like that. It must have been a little disappointing when Richard and Karen heard their idols criticizing their music like that, I don't know about Brian Wilson but the Beatles and BB changed their tune later on; the Carpenters earned and won their respect in the end and thats all that matters.
As for Brians view on Wilson Philips he has always said he is proud of his two daughters and likes their music.
The Beach Boys were not just a fun band they were very talented and creative and made a landmark album (anyone heard of Pet Sounds).
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Post by Federico Cruz on Aug 27, 2004 7:51:47 GMT -5
Yes, "Boat To Sail" is a wonderful Jackie DeShannon composition and the lyric mentions BRIAN WILSON: Bare foot, coconut and supermild Jamaica take a look At your own child Forget not Brian Wilson songs are never left behind Don’t you worry baby, you’re a friend of mine For so long You win, Rick!. That song never was one of my very favorites, so I never sing it or have it on my mind. The only rare thing I remember about it, is the mention of the return to the musical scene of its composer. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 27, 2004 11:19:02 GMT -5
This is the exact comment about Brian Wilson. It's stated in the book: "The Complete Guide To The Music Of The Carpenters" written by John Tobler. "and the name check for Brian Wilson (the resident errant genius of the Beach Boys, and creator of the California myth) is a nice touch, even if it did reportedly cause him severe embarrassment." As for Beach Boys, I love them, of course they don't quite reach me as deeply as Carpenters, but the Beach Boys have made some excellent music and I own 3 or 4 of their CD's.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Aug 27, 2004 12:03:21 GMT -5
This is the exact comment about Brian Wilson. It's stated in the book: "The Complete Guide To The Music Of The Carpenters" written by John Tobler. "and the name check for Brian Wilson ...is a nice touch, even if it did reportedly cause him severe embarrassment." But the Tobler book doesn't declare that Wilson said exactly that words, but that could cause him a possible embarrassment... That could be a Tobler's opinion. Did I understand well?. English is not my native language... BTW, I love too The Beach Boys, specially "Don't Worry, Baby". |
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Post by JIM on Aug 27, 2004 13:48:38 GMT -5
HI Enigma. I guess a fun band was
a poor choice of words to describe
them. What I meant to convey is
there music is associated by most
with surfin beer and bikinis.
However I realize that Brian also
wrote a lot about experiences that
were very personal and painful
through out his life.
I have read that the other band
members were against some of the
music he wrote because it was very
deep.
I have not listened to Pet Sounds
in a while but I love the song
Caroline its an incredible ballad.
I will have to dig out my copy if
I remeber Brian did a lot of experimenting with sound on this
album coke bottles and barking dogs
if memory serves.
His solo album from 89? has a haunting acapella selection titled
ONE FOR THE BOYS which I find very
moving.
I really enjoyed his solo album
IMAGINATION. It reminds me a lot
of Richards TIME.
I think he recenty released Smile
which I think is a colaboration
of some kind. I usually buy anything Brian produces but when
I saw the 20$ price tag on Amazon
I thought I would wait until I could hear some of the completed
material first.
JIM
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Post by Mariah Andrews on Aug 27, 2004 22:16:46 GMT -5
My Three B's in music would probably be The Beatles, Black Sabbath and Jackson Browne. Amongst artists that inspired me that begin with the letter "b". Jackson Browne probably would have liked the Carps, but I don't know about Ozzy if he would have liked them. (Ozzy did do a commercial with the Osmonds for Pepsi two years ago.) But Black Sabbath guitarist Tony Iommi quoted Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra as his favorite male singers, his favorite female being Carly Simon and Barbra Streisand. Ironic, for the master of metal guitar.
I grew up with the Beatles, melodywise as I learned their songs at the age of 11. Jackson Browne inspired me to write songs in his style. Black Sabbath influenced the loudness of my soul.
As for my three Cs, that would be the Carpenters, Mariah Carey and maybe Kurt Cobain, as his angry soul I could relate to at one point...
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Post by enigma on Aug 28, 2004 10:56:31 GMT -5
Dave With all due respect The Beach Boys were hardly blown out of the Water by the British Invasion. Pet Sounds was made in 1966 well into the British invasion and was cited as the reason Sgt Pepper was made by The Beatles. The Beatles were so blown away by the inovation on Pet Sounds that they went into the studio and voila Sgt Pepper was born. What the British Invasion did was force the popular artists at the time to reevaluate how they made music. While we cannot discount giving the public what they wanted it was more a case of raising the bar both quality wise and artistically speaking. The C arpenters faced the same problem in the mid 70's when Disco music started to become popular. Unfortuneately The Carpenters did not fair as well dispite Richards efforts to make leaps artistically in The Carpenters music. And Dave I do not know why you mentioned the Bay City Rollers and The Sex Pistols here. If you are saying that Pet Sounds is dated then you may want to listen to it again (or not). Pet sounds was inovative, creative and still as good a listen today as it was when it came out. Like Sgt Pepper and Dark Side Of The Moon, Pet Sounds was a landmark album that influenced countless other artists that recorded since its release and is timeless. I know this is a little off topic and has little to do with the Carpenters themselves but these are just some of my thoughts on Daves post. Yes Rick this is a nice picture from the Superstar video I like the atmosphere in this video (dark or dimly lit room) and Karen looked and was amazing as usual  I assume Dave that the who came first question what rhetorical and did not require an answer hmmmm |
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 28, 2004 21:35:06 GMT -5
I have to go along with Enigma here. The British invasion did not the Beach Boys out of the water. From 1964 on the Beach managed to have another 12 top 10 hits with another 29 top 40's. Some of their biggest hits came after the British Invasion, such as "Good Vibrations" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice". Though I agree with you Dave. I was taken back when I read this for the first time in John Tobler's book. If anything Wilson should have been honored that such a talented and hugely popular group as the Carpenters would want to record a song which mentions his name in it. I love this pic of Karen because it contains a sense of mystery.
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