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Post by Will on Jun 3, 2004 22:06:43 GMT -5
Rick said something on another thread that got me thinking.
In the 'old' days, movies had to have good plots, scripts and acting because they didn't have much in the way of special effects to fall back on. These days it seems some movies depend almost entirely on special effects to detract from the fact there really isn't a good story being told.
I wonder if the same can be said for music today. Often times, it seems the success of a song is almost as dependent on the music video as the melody and lyrics.
My point is that the Carpenters were great because they had to focus on the melody and the lyrics and not on a video. Some of you are probably thinking that they would still have been great in a world of videos -- they just would have had amazing videos. I agree, but you still have to wonder how videos would have impacted their musical work.
My other point is that I think a lot of music these days doesn't have to be quite as good as long as the video distracts the listener.
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Post by Moe on Jun 4, 2004 5:42:49 GMT -5
An artist's image seems to be what it takes to get a hit. Maybe a good beat/rhythm of the song. I don't think videos are as important today as they were in the 80's and the 90's. It may be that I am older now and don't pay attention to them as I used to.
just a thought....
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Post by beaner on Jun 4, 2004 5:52:40 GMT -5
It's kind of like a book and a movie. Some people end up liking the book better and some like the movie better. I do know that many of the videos I watch to their songs are quite interesting and I do come out liking the song because of the video. However, if I liked the song first and the video is lousy I still keep on liking the song because of the words and the meaning.  |
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Post by enigma on Jun 4, 2004 7:40:18 GMT -5
The whole idea of videos in the early years was to get new music played. A good deal of the new acts in the early 80's were being shut out due to changes in radio programming and used video channels like MTV to get their music heard. It is true that if you make a good video you have a better chance of getting a song played that may not be played otherwise. In that sense video is important to a new artist. Established artists don't rely as much on video becuse they have radio airplay though it is the best way to reach the largest audience.
As for the Carpenters they were perfectionists and because they were making music before video became a part of promoting and selling a song, the music would never be secondary to the video. As we know the Carpenters were making videos for their songs before the video channels existed but they accompanied the songs not vice versa and I don't think that would have changed in the 80's and 90's etc.
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Post by JIM on Jun 4, 2004 13:17:59 GMT -5
I think all of what we think of
in terms of music videos by the
Carpenters owe there existence
to there TV specials or concerts.
I will have to see if the Ray Coleman book mentions the production of a video that was not
part of a TV special.
I can't remember which songs but when VH1 first began, they would
play a Carpenters video every once
and a while but they were the standards from the Yesterday Once More video collection. I am curious
to know for what special the I Know
I Need To BE In Love video was made
for. If you have not seen it, well
its a little odd. In the video Karen and Richard are on a jumbo
jet and while in flight Karen is
making eyes with a man seated near
her and Richard is watching to young lovers and he is wishing he
had a love in his life. IN the
end the man who had been flirting
with Karen leaves the plane and
falls into the arms of another woman in the airport terminal.
I need to shorten my entries. I
apologize for my predilection
to go into over explanatory short
stories.LOL
JIM
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Post by smoothie2 on Jun 4, 2004 23:53:37 GMT -5
JGH, your post is fine...that's interesting to know there was a video for I Know I N. to b In Love....it does sound strange, though. I don't recall watching too many song videos these days nor then. Of course, there are a lot out there that were recorded of my favorite artists like the Carps, and J. denver and L. Ronstadt...and I would love to have all their shows on tape if I could afford them. But for me, even if I'd not heard any artists then or now....I think I'd be one to have their album first and then the video.
I watched a biography once about the Monkees, and I think it was mentioned that those crazy acts they did that had them singing ..that those were some of the first music videos ever done. And they're right about that, but I'd never thought of them that way. They were a zany group.
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Post by enigma on Jun 5, 2004 7:45:43 GMT -5
Actually The Beatles were making videos as early as 1966 before there were any such thing as The Monkees and there were videos earlier than that (I believe the earliest video was for Ricky Nelsons Travelling Man in the 1950's)
As for the Carpenters correct me if I'm wrong but what special was Only Yesterday and Please Mr Postman and All You Get From Love Is A Love Song for? Also the three videos from the Made In America album certainly had no ties with a special and were made before MTV or VH1 existed. Alot of the videos for the Carpenters early 70's songs were studio tracks overdubed on performances or lip sinced by Karen but after the Horizon album they made independant videos for some of their songs including I Need To Be In Love.
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Post by smoothie2 on Jun 6, 2004 0:03:15 GMT -5
I did forget about those early videos of the Beatles and Rick Nelson. I really love all of them too. ;D
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Post by Boat2Sail on Jun 6, 2004 0:15:23 GMT -5
Actually The Beatles were making videos as early as 1966 before there were any such thing as The Monkees and there were videos earlier than that (I believe the earliest video was for Ricky Nelsons Travelling Man in the 1950's) As for the Carpenters correct me if I'm wrong but what special was Only Yesterday and Please Mr Postman and All You Get From Love Is A Love Song for? Also the three videos from the Made In America album certainly had no ties with a special and were made before MTV or VH1 existed. Alot of the videos for the Carpenters early 70's songs were studio tracks overdubed on performances or lip sinced by Karen but after the Horizon album they made independant videos for some of their songs including I Need To Be In Love. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that they called those videos Promotional Films, since the term music video really didn't come into play until the early 80's. |
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Post by Ming on Jun 8, 2004 5:14:26 GMT -5
I love videos.Best songs with good videos are great.
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