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Post by cam83 on Apr 23, 2004 22:20:48 GMT -5
Hi All, Karen was such an awesome person, so full of love, so full of hope, so full of strength. She was so much more than the music she sang. And what a gift THAT was! But the person behind her was amazing. And yes, she did experience sadness and feelings of being alone. I think she was able to convey that thru her music. And I am sure she knew that that was one of the reasons to her success, that ability to relate to the listner. I always felt that when she sang, when she opened her mouth, she was opening a part of herself up to us. Her soul was being exposed. I think we can all relate to that. How some days are truly Rainy Days and Mondays for us. Other days we are on Top of the World. Other days we want to say Goodbye To Love. Etc. She had that quality also to be as if she were one of our friends. She was really a normal person. She cried. She laughed. She joked. She had insecurities and fears. She had dreams. She was complex, and so just maybe when you thought you knew her, you got to see another side of her which kinda blows you away. I mean, she knew what kind of gift she had with her voice. But she was not the type of girl to be a showoff, or brag about her fame and her status. In a way that is so neat, but I also wish she had taken a bit of a chance and been a "Diva" to show the world she was a woman. I suppose her 1979 album kinda did that. Or was supposed to do that. But it would be neat to have a VH1 showcase on Karen Carpenter...the Diva!! Anyhow...
My thoughts, Cameron
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Post by Moe on Apr 23, 2004 22:32:42 GMT -5
Karen in the ultimate Diva! I don't think she would ever be a diva ego, but she was definitely a diva of talent!
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Post by smoothie2 on Apr 23, 2004 23:18:48 GMT -5
;Dyes, so true....even though she and Richard together had reached a summit of fame and success with their own sound...Karen could have said "I've only just begun" starting off with her own path with the solo album.
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Post by JEFF on Apr 24, 2004 0:03:10 GMT -5
Cam, those are beautiful thoughts on Karen and i agree with everything you said.
I truly wish also that VH1 would have a showcase on Karen.
About 4 years ago i taped on VH1 an edited version of the BBC 1971 concert. I was a little upset because they only played 28 minutes of it but i have it on video ,at least some of it ,and i cherish that tape.
Unless i missed it, I was truly unhappy with VH1. I mean last year karen`s 20th anniversary of her passing came and i didnt see any footage of her concerts or live performances.
What a slap in the face to Karen that was. They showed footage four years ago like i said but not now.
This year again no concert or live performance footage at all .
But that would be a great idea to have a showcase of Karen on there. Im always looking desperately for video of Karen`s concerts or live performances , considering they never release any in the USA.
Shame on VH1 for ignoring Karen on her 20th and 21st anniversary of her passing.
If im wrong i apologize to VH 1 but i dont think i am. I look like crazy on VH1 every feb 4th or the week before or after that date and i never see any footage.
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Post by jeff on Apr 24, 2004 0:08:36 GMT -5
THE ABOVE MESSAGE IS FROM JEFF THE MEMBER NOT THE GUEST, SORRY FOR THE ERROR.
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Post by Moe on Apr 24, 2004 3:25:40 GMT -5
There is an occasional video of the Carpenters on VH1 Classics. I didn't watch on Feb 4th, so I can't say if they remembered Karen or not.
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Post by beaner on Apr 24, 2004 5:39:21 GMT -5
Hi Smoothie,
What a neat idea that would have made to have Karen do another solo album and it could have been called "I've Only Just Begun".
She could have had such an amazing future and would have absolutely LOVED all of us fans surrounding her and supporting her. She loved to perform.
Have a good day!
beaner
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Post by enigma on Apr 24, 2004 9:45:39 GMT -5
Just thought I would put my take on Karen in here. I see Karen as a complex person. On the one hand she is an amazingly talented performer, a great voice, a good drummer. Karen was also a humble, kind, nice and funny person. On the other hand she was very insecure, had low self esteem, was difficult to get to know, was moody and all these traits contributed to her illness and eventual death. These negative traits were hidden from the public behind the Carpenters image and Karens remarkable ability to hide her problems from her public. I never knew Karen so the info I get is based on interviews I have read with those who did know her and all seem to say the same things about Karen. As far as Karen being normal, I suppose that is a subjective term (depending on your definition of normal). Generally people in that business don't lead normal lives because of the way the business is. That accomanied by the fact that Karen had a serious illness in addition to a talent few possess would make me believe she was not normal. I suppose she did her best to remain normal and down to earth and in many ways was successful. As far as the music and Karens vocals, she always put a part of herself in her music and could envoke emotions in her listeners (Or this listener) like few other artists; you felt like she was singing each song just to you an that voice was always in top form. I think that this is a fairly realistic picture of Karen viewed from both sides. In general I feel that Karen was one of a kind I loved her and felt sad for her throughout her short career. I miss her dearly and wish she could have won her personal battles but it was not meant to be. Just one persons take on the lovely and talented Karen Carpenter.
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 24, 2004 19:18:02 GMT -5
Yes, it would be neat if VH1 were to showcase Karen as the honorary Diva. The solo album would be a great place to start.
As for the person Karen, just from everything I've heard about her or read I come away with the impression that she really made was sincere about what she was doing and why she was doing it.
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Post by smoothie2 on Apr 24, 2004 23:41:06 GMT -5
;D ::)hi beaner...hadn't thought of it quite that way as far as a whole album of Karen's solo's or unreleased work ...yes, that would be so great and what she could have accomplished is just mind boggling...but, such a thought, should only give us all more faith and incentive to set our goals and work toward them, in any way we can because our days on earth are numbered...
and I do agree with your thoughts enigma about Karen too ...just a very special lady greatly talented, but being in show biz and in the famous lights most always brings people down to a very low point when that fame goes away...or if it doesn't go away perhaps sooner than it should, in order for those folks to attain a place of normalcy.
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Post by smoothie2 on Apr 24, 2004 23:51:00 GMT -5
;DJeff-guest...I will comment also that I really watched for maybe VH1 or biography on a & e to run their stories in tribute to Karen, but as far as I know they didn't. Perhaps they did last mo. or so and we just didn't get it. I would have even watched the movie again had it come on. oh well
By the way, I went to see the extraordinary show the Alamo today...with Billy bob Thorton and D. Quaid...and though I'm not one to go in too much for the war stories ...this is one that appeals to me especially because I am a Texan and I love those actors. So very incredible...I did pass through S. Antone when I was very young and we didn't get to go in side the Alamo since it was night time, and I wouldn't have understood any of it then anyway. It's a very long way though from where I am now.
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Post by Benn on May 1, 2004 12:53:41 GMT -5
On VH-1 "Behind the Music-1970", the announcer referred to the music of the Carpenters as 'MUSH'. The actual quote: "Later on, rock music turns to mush". This was stated over film footage of Karen singing "Close to You", from the "Live at Budokan 1974" video. VH-1 doesn't think much of the Carpenters, and I would not expect anything from that network. This is the same network whose "Behind the Music-1972" did not say one word about the Munich Olympic Massace, or Senator Thomas Eggeleton, (Sen. George McGovern's running mate who had to drop out, and was replaced by Sergeant Shriver). This is the network whose 2-disc DVD of the October 2001 NYC concert left out 4 songs, and who used changed history so that the people Booing Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton were now cheering her. For the record, the people who booed Richard Gere at the concert, booed him on the DVD. An obvious double standard. If you want to see if, or when, the Carpenters will be on television, I suggest go to www.rockontv.com Benn ;D
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Post by ThomB on May 1, 2004 21:49:04 GMT -5
Too bad VH1 called Carpenters music mush. We of course know different. Carpenters music is full of body and substance.
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