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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 5, 2003 22:44:08 GMT -5
Two songs by Paul McCartney quote songs by The Carpenters.
The first is a song called "Hi, Hi, Hi" which reached #10 in February 1973.
The lyric is:
"Won't you be my funky little momma
Gonna rockin' and we've only just begun"
On page 93 of the Ray Coleman book McCartney states that he and Linda ,his new wife at the time could really identify with the song "We've Only Just Begun".
The next song is "Listen To What The Man Said" which reached #1 in July 1975.
The lyric is:
"And love is fine for all we know
For all we know our love will grow
that's what the man said."
I just wonder if McCartney intentionally used these two song titles in his songs as a way to give tribute to The Carpenters or if it is mere coincidence. both McCartney songs were recorded after the two Carps songs mentioned had already been mega-hits.
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Post by Will on Oct 5, 2003 23:01:19 GMT -5
We know R & K liked and performed Beatles tunes.
How do their initial performance dates correspond with Paul's work?
Did R & K ever meet any of the Beatles?
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 5, 2003 23:17:10 GMT -5
"We've Only Just Begun" was a Carpenters hit in 1971 and McCartney's song "Hi Hi Hi" was a hit in 1973.
"For All We Know" was a hit in 1971 and McCartney's "Listen To What The Man Said" was a hit in 1975.
K&R met McCartney in spring of 1974 at Strawberry Studios in the UK while McCartney was working on the album which included "Listen To What The Man Said".
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Post by Will on Oct 5, 2003 23:24:21 GMT -5
That was quick!
Thanks for the info.
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Post by smoothie2 on Oct 5, 2003 23:25:06 GMT -5
:)I don't know if the Carps. ever met the Beatles, but it is interesting to know about those tunes. As well known as R. and K. were, and their music was popular world over, I wouldn't be surprised if Paul M. and/or the Beatles, were inspired somewhat by Carps. or vice versa. I know Help! was recorded by R. and K. and there might have been others tried but not released or recorded for the public. There are several songs done by the Beatles (and many other singers, for that matter) that I can easily imagine R. & K. doing.
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Post by cam83 on Oct 5, 2003 23:42:28 GMT -5
Hi All,
Karen did meet John Lennon in the 1970's. She was with a friend of hers and they were leaving the restaurant and John Lennon obviously spotted Karen and came up to her and said, "Just want to tell you love...I think you've got a fabulous voice!" and walked away without introducing himself...although Karen knew who he was. She was so struck by that...and couldn't believe her idol thought she had a great voice. That was our Karen...a bit naive...and very modest...and humble about her fantastic gift.
Cameron
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Post by smoothie2 on Oct 6, 2003 23:10:19 GMT -5
 ::)Really? Well, I'm so glad to know that she did and that he complimented her!
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Post by Christian on Oct 7, 2003 3:24:17 GMT -5
And Barbra Streisand told Karen "You have a marvellous instrument". Karen loved hearing this from Babs who was so acclaimed herself
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 7, 2003 21:14:02 GMT -5
Have you ever read the Coleman book?
In pages164-166, he mentions that in 1974, K and R met Paul McCartney in England during a recording session for his brother Michael.
Paul greeted them by singing the chorus line to "Top Of The World".
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 7, 2003 21:34:33 GMT -5
Thanks Federico for clearing that up. In an earlier post on this forum I said that McCartney was recording his own album in 1974 when he met K&R. But it was his brothers album. I was writing from memory and got my facts tangled a bit.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 7, 2003 23:13:59 GMT -5
You're welcome...
BTW, too late I read your before posting.
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Post by ThomB on Oct 8, 2003 18:48:34 GMT -5
That is interesting about the lyrics in the two McCartney songs. That's something worth checking out to find out if he used those titles as a way of tribute to K&R.
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Post by ThomB on Oct 13, 2003 8:25:22 GMT -5
McCartney worked with others such as Stevie wonder and Michael jackson. Wouldn't it be great if McCartney and Richard were to team together to produce something. Possibly finish one of those unreleased tracks.
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 8, 2004 23:35:26 GMT -5
Karen and Richard were huge McCartney and Beatles fans. It's evident in the amount of Beatles songs they ended up recording. When I first heard "Nowhere Man" on "As Time Goes By" I just totally impressed, Karen sang this with control and maturity at the young age of 17. has anybody here heard the (so far) unreleased recording of "Day Tripper", it was recorded in 1970 for the Your navy Presents radio program the Carpenters did just after the release of "Ticket To Ride".
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Post by enigma on Oct 9, 2004 7:47:48 GMT -5
I think we are stretching it a bit with the lyric thing just because a song uses a title from another previously released song in its lyric does not mean that it is paying tribute to the former song or artist. I bet if you looked hard enough you could fond the names of previous songs in alot of song lyrics. If any of this makes sense basically I think it is just an interesting coincidence and McCarney was not even thinking of K&R when he wrote either song or any of his songs for that matter.
I am aware of the mutual admiration thing and being a Beatles fan think it is just soo Coool!!!!
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Post by Rick Henry on Oct 9, 2004 8:11:17 GMT -5
I think we are stretching it a bit with the lyric thing just because a song uses a title from another previously released song in its lyric does not mean that it is paying tribute to the former song or artist. I am aware of the mutual admiration thing and being a Beatles fan think it is just soo Coool!!!! I don't think it's stretching it at all, especially in the case of McCartney's "Hi, Hi, Hi". The song was written at the time that "We've Only Just Begun" was getting major airplay. At one point McCartney must have thought about Karen and Richard as he sang the phrase 'and we've only just begun" several times in his song. I'll agree it may be a bit of a stretch with "Listen To What The Man Said" and "For All We Know". It would be interesting to find out if McCartney may have thought of K&R while writing or recording either song. Another McCartney song that always made me think of Carpenters is "Silly Love Songs", as the Carpenters were the foremost producers of silly love songs in the 70's. |
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Post by Federico Cruz on Oct 9, 2004 16:29:08 GMT -5
...Has anybody here heard the (so far) unreleased recording of "Day Tripper"?, it was recorded in 1970 for the "Your navy Presents" radio program(and) the Carpenters did just after the release of "Ticket To Ride". What?. Some years ago I downloaded all the songs from "Your Navy Presents" and Day Tripper was not included. Do you have it?. |
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Post by Peteruk on Oct 14, 2004 14:23:36 GMT -5
Certainly McCartney was a great fan of CARPENTERS SOUND & SONGS ....shame he did not write an original song for Carpenters or even Karen's solo sessions ....  Same goes with Paul Simon -who allowed Karen & Phil Ramone to re-arrange / re-record two of his 1975 songs ....ideally 2 new original songs plus others by Billy Joel , Bob Dylan , Joni Mitchell, Carole King ....would have given more strength with A&M and release of planned solo album in 1980....would be interesting to hear Ramone discuss the problems of song selections for Karen solo sesssions at some point ....  Understand several out-takes tracks were recorded for Your Navy Presents Spring 1970 ....would be great for Richard to include on future Box Set as rare extras .....this is a great set ....really featuring Karen's impressive drumming skills .....should be re-issued for all fans to obtain / listen to ....  Peter |
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::)Really? Well, I'm so glad to know that she did and that he complimented her!
