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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 22, 2008 20:21:57 GMT -5
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Post by timo on Jul 3, 2008 14:21:40 GMT -5
Can't wait to see the video you're making of Desperado (or did I misunderstand elsewhere that you're working on it?). I've been going through the Essential C's CD-box and was surprised to know that Karen wasn't so excited about Solitaire (in Richard's words). A brilliant vocal by her anyway. Maybe the song's more suited for lovelorn older men like Elvis, who also sang a great version in his last sessions
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Post by ps11932 on Jul 3, 2008 16:40:54 GMT -5
I guess many of us feel that "Horizon" is among the strongest Carpenter collections, and the songs "Desperado" and "Solitaire" are major contributing factors. I agree that much of the album seems to have a kind of an adventurous, western feel to it, with talk of riding fences, winning a hand, etc.
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Post by enigma on Jul 3, 2008 20:31:38 GMT -5
I agree mostly with Ricks post on Desperado I like the Carpenters and especially Karens take on this Eagles Classic I would not place it on Solitaires level but the vocal is great even by Karen Carpenter standards. Looking forward to the vidoe you make on this song if its anything like b'wanna then it should be great.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jul 4, 2008 19:19:31 GMT -5
I agree mostly with Ricks post on Desperado I like the Carpenters and especially Karens take on this Eagles Classic I would not place it on Solitaires level but the vocal is great even by Karen Carpenter standards. Looking forward to the vidoe you make on this song if its anything like b'wanna then it should be great.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Jul 8, 2008 12:37:37 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, Rick. I, too, enjoy the Eagles very much - and lots of the tunes that you mentioned in your post. But....I have not heard anyone match the quality of vocal performance on this song that Karen had. She must have felt this down to her very soul, cause it seems to come from there. She sang it with such beauty, it's chilling. An excellent tune, an even better arrangement, and even finer vocal interpretation of it. Karen has this one, hands down for me.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jul 9, 2008 0:31:54 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, Rick. I, too, enjoy the Eagles very much - and lots of the tunes that you mentioned in your post. But....I have not heard anyone match the quality of vocal performance on this song that Karen had. She must have felt this down to her very soul, cause it seems to come from there. She sang it with such beauty, it's chilling. An excellent tune, an even better arrangement, and even finer vocal interpretation of it. Karen has this one, hands down for me.
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Post by cinscorp on May 14, 2009 21:51:33 GMT -5
I have read that A&M decided against releasing this as a single because it had been recorded by the Eagles and covered by Linda Ronstadt circa 1973 (?)...But I think it would have been a huge hit for them. Reviewing charts from that time, I think Carpenters would have brought that song to Top 40 stations instead of just album-oriented stations. A whole new audience would have heard and appreciated that song and I believe their version is so strong, that "rock" audiences might have caught onto it as well. It could've changed the course of the followup "A Kind of Hush" completely.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 1, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5
I have read that A&M decided against releasing this as a single because it had been recorded by the Eagles and covered by Linda Ronstadt circa 1973 (?)...But I think it would have been a huge hit for them. Reviewing charts from that time, I think Carpenters would have brought that song to Top 40 stations instead of just album-oriented stations. A whole new audience would have heard and appreciated that song and I believe their version is so strong, that "rock" audiences might have caught onto it as well. It could've changed the course of the followup "A Kind of Hush" completely.
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Post by cinscorp on Jun 1, 2009 20:13:44 GMT -5
Rick,
Maybe I didn't express my meaning well there at all. What I meant was that if "Desperado" had been released, been a huge hit, been well-received by new listeners, etc. then maybe the rather safer and blander direction that Richard went with "Hush" would have not happened - maybe he would have followed up with something more substantial. That A&M and Richard would have used "Desperado" and its success as a stepping stone to music more in that vein or direction. I was surmising that "Hush" would have been a different record altogether.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 1, 2009 20:35:59 GMT -5
Rick, Maybe I didn't express my meaning well there at all. What I meant was that if "Desperado" had been released, been a huge hit, been well-received by new listeners, etc. then maybe the rather safer and blander direction that Richard went with "Hush" would have not happened - maybe he would have followed up with something more substantial. That A&M and Richard would have used "Desperado" and its success as a stepping stone to music more in that vein or direction. I was surmising that "Hush" would have been a different record altogether.
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Post by cinscorp on Jun 1, 2009 21:15:36 GMT -5
True, I've read that, too. But sometimes, something new or slightly out of the ordinary is regenerating. And they said how fun "Passage" was to do. Hush was so melancholy overall and so safe, that maybe going thru the motions was not energizing during a down state.
You're probably right that the followup to Horizon was destined to reflect their overall exhaustion by this point. But A huge hit with new accolades and a different frame of mind could have set the tone for an altogether different mood. Just a thought.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 1, 2009 21:37:01 GMT -5
True, I've read that, too. But sometimes, something new or slightly out of the ordinary is regenerating. And they said how fun "Passage" was to do. Hush was so melancholy overall and so safe, that maybe going thru the motions was not energizing during a down state. You're probably right that the followup to Horizon was destined to reflect their overall exhaustion by this point. But A huge hit with new accolades and a different frame of mind could have set the tone for an altogether different mood. Just a thought.
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Post by beaner on Jun 3, 2009 9:48:03 GMT -5
I think Clint Black recorded it also and he did a pretty good job with it but I really do like the Carpenters version of it for sure.
Beaner
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Post by Rick Henry on Jun 3, 2009 11:03:20 GMT -5
I think Clint Black recorded it also and he did a pretty good job with it but I really do like the Carpenters version of it for sure. Beaner Yes, Clint Black recorded the song as well as many others. Here's list of other artists who have covered the song: Johnny Rodriguez Lynn Anderson Linda Ronstadt Judy Collins Chris Ledoux Clint Black Ken Hirai Johnny Cash Jill Johnson Kenny Rogers Emi Fujita Me First and the Gimme Gimmes Suzi Quatro Stephen Fox Joan Baez Weird Al Yankovic (parody titled "Avocado") At Vance Ray Wilson Westlife Kokia Superfly Celtic Thunder as well as others... Carpenters' version remains my favorite of all recorded. On the worldwide sense the most popular versions of this song belong to of course The Eagles followed by Carpenters and next Linda Ronstadt. Clint Black's version is fairly popular ( I like a good amount of his music).
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2009 16:56:22 GMT -5
While it doesn't "work" Karen's vocal range as "Solitaire" does, I feel that it is at least equal to the Eagles rendition, and have failed to understand why it's never been released as a single.
Every time I hear the opening notes, my brain immediately shifts to the Carpenters version.
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