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Post by ps11932 on Apr 1, 2007 14:40:59 GMT -5
According to the April 1 broadcast of the syndicated radio program "The Music Scene", hosted by musical historian and commentator Jo King, a long forgotten series of recordings by groups and individuals of the past generation, including Johnny Cash, The Beach Boys, Eric Clapton, Sonny And Cher, and yes, our very own The Carpenters, has been discovered in a vault in Vancouver.
In the early 1980's music innovator and composer Vasco Balboa developped the idea of having several artists convene in Kaansas and each record 8-10 songs in genres and styles diverse from their norm; Balboa would then select from the "best of the lot" and make public release in the mid 80's. Sadly, balboa passed away suddenly in 1985. A verbal agreement was in place with his son-in-law, Johhny B. Toven, to continue the project in the event of Balboa's death, but Toven became preoccupied with table tennis (bronze medal, 1988 Olympics; current head Women's table tennis coach and Associate Professor of Racket and Paddle History, Strategy and Etiquette, Purdue University) and forgot the project. Then, in January 2007, he viewed the
Mirimax motion picture "This Hart Of Mine", about the daily work of a Springfield, Mo. zookeeper who soothes a man-eating lion with strains of "Bless The Beasts And The Children", and his memory was jogged. Taking a leave of absence from Purdue, Toven set about to complete the project begun over a quarter century earlier.
According to Toven, The Carpenters material is "some of the greatest stuff" and includes ventures into opera, calypso, new wave and nursery rhyme. One notable entry featured Clapton and Tony Peluso on guitar; it was entitled "Defeat It", and was somehow leaked and adapted into a major hit for another artist. Negotiations are reportadly under way between Toven, Richard and Universal Music Group for release of this material. More information is available at the websi
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Post by wisejester7 on Apr 1, 2007 16:20:33 GMT -5
Thank you for this, O. E. ;-) I've misplaced the link, but in a related article ... "The prestigious Chicago law firm of Strawn & Messenger, in relation to "The Music Scene" radio program, and in particular to the Carpenters contributions to the musical genre diversification program, has drawn up legal documents in direct opposition to those of Toven, Carpenter and Universal Music Group. A spokesperson for the Strawn & Messenger firm, in a telephone interview, said that the release of new Carpenters music would violate the wishes of Mr. and Mrs. Harold Carpenter. After the death of their daughter, Karen , the elder Carpenters petitioned to withhold all promotions of Carpenters music without their consent. Their son, Richard, at first went along with the idea in order to protect the Carpenters investments. The conflict in interests is likely to tie up new Carpenters releases for years to come."  In lieu of Agnes and Harold's deaths you'd think the lawsuit would be null and void and that final control would then roll over to Richard. I guess I don't understand legalese all that well, yet. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 1, 2007 22:09:54 GMT -5
Thank you for this, O. E. ;-) I've misplaced the link, but in a related article ... "The prestigious Chicago law firm of Strawn & Messenger, in relation to "The Music Scene" radio program, and in particular to the Carpenters contributions to the musical genre diversification program, has drawn up legal documents in direct opposition to those of Toven, Carpenter and Universal Music Group. A spokesperson for the Strawn & Messenger firm, in a telephone interview, said that the release of new Carpenters music would violate the wishes of Mr. and Mrs. Harold Carpenter. After the death of their daughter, Karen , the elder Carpenters petitioned to withhold all promotions of Carpenters music without their consent. Their son, Richard, at first went along with the idea in order to protect the Carpenters investments. The conflict in interests is likely to tie up new Carpenters releases for years to come." In lieu of Harold and Agnes's death you'd think the lawsuit would be null and void. I guess I don't understand legalese all that well, yet. I would say if this were so then we would have never had the release of such compilations as "Voice Of The Heart", "An Old Fashioned Christmas", "Lovelines", the two new songs on "Interpretations" and "As Time Goes By".
I don't think Harold and Agnes had any controlling measure whatsoever over Carpenters' music. That all belongs to Richard and even more so to Universal Music Group. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2007 17:35:51 GMT -5
If these recordings indeed do exist I look forward to hearing them I believe if Richard says yes it will be a go. If the article is accurate I can't wait for this release assuming everything is worked out between all parties. WhooHoo finally some new Carpenters material may be on the way!   |
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Post by merlinjones on Apr 2, 2007 20:06:05 GMT -5
ps11932 I am not trying to be mean...
But, is this an April Fool's joke?
Please do not be mad, if I am wrong. |
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Post by wisejester7 on Apr 3, 2007 11:35:00 GMT -5
ps11932 I am not trying to be mean...
But, is this an April Fool's joke?
Please do not be mad, if I am wrong. merlinjones - ps11932 (O.E.) is a nice guy ! I don't think he would get mad at you for stating an honest concern about his post. There is not really a 'mad' poster in the whole lot of us. I'm pretty sure you are safe! |
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Post by ps11932 on Apr 3, 2007 15:15:30 GMT -5
Merlin, You have the sharp eye and spirit of a good editor- yes indeed, it was an April 1 joke! I hope it brought a smile to some and offense to no one. If there is any consolation necessary, I have fallen victim to more April 1 jokes (including one this year) than anyone in the world, probably! But all in good fun. Thanks for playing along.
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Post by wisejester7 on Apr 3, 2007 15:54:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the fun , O.E. !! I hope we don't have to wait a whole year for some more of your creativeness! |
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Apr 6, 2007 10:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 6, 2007 21:04:14 GMT -5
O.E. let me in on this before he even posted it - so I was aware of what was going on. I went along with the joke and posted a response that seemed fitting to the conversation. |
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Post by smoothie2 on Apr 8, 2007 23:36:53 GMT -5
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You sure caught me on that one too O.E.! Sure would be something grand if it were true...hmmm...
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 9, 2007 9:30:11 GMT -5
What's interesting about this April Fool's joke is that in the 70's and early 80's the powers that be at A&M would have never allowed such a thing to happen. There porbably would have been lawsuits if Karen and Richard had recorded anything unauthorized by A&M executives. A&M, as we know, had much too tight a hold on Karen and Richard - almost as if they weren't human beings - but more like they were a commodity. |
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Post by ps11932 on Apr 9, 2007 16:22:19 GMT -5
It was a fun joke- I didn't think anyone would take it seriously for very long- though Rick offered some suggestions that made it a little more plausible. Well, mark that date for next year- April 1. If you read about Karen's oboe being discovered at the bottom of Lake Tanganyika, think twice!
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Post by BethMosior on Apr 10, 2007 21:34:15 GMT -5
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Post by wisejester7 on Apr 11, 2007 15:38:08 GMT -5
It was fun while it lasted! My post was a 'tip of the hat' to Carpenters band mates Bob Messenger and Doug Strawn ... and , of course, the Chicago reference was for O.E. as this is part of his current stomping grounds. It took me a while before I figured out that Rick was 'in' on the joke, but I remembered that O.E. clears things like this through Rick first. All in all, this was a fun experience. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 11, 2007 19:34:27 GMT -5
It was fun while it lasted! My post was a 'tip of the hat' to Carpenters band mates Bob Messenger and Doug Strawn ... and , of course, the Chicago reference was for O.E. as this is part of his current stomping grounds. It took me a while before I figured out that Rick was 'in' on the joke, but I remembered that O.E. clears things like this through Rick first. All in all, this was a fun experience. I purposely made my response sound like something I would say if this were an actual true conversation. I think that threw people off a bit.
As always O.E. well written and thought out.
Though we can dream can't we of the possibities of unreleased music out there. |
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Post by Dave on Apr 11, 2007 19:43:15 GMT -5
As Phil Collins might say..."but seriously", folks! We all know that Richard has *everything* ever recorded by either one of them safely under lock and key. If there was to be anything found, his legal beagles would be on it in a flash! His desire is to protect the legacy, and to that effect he won't even release what he has left because he doesn't consider them to be up to snuff. So that part of it was a dead giveaway. Let me know about that oboe, willya? It'll go real nice with the autographed aluminum bat I bought on eBay last week...  |
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Post by ps11932 on Apr 12, 2007 16:09:39 GMT -5
Dave, The oboe probably won't be in the news until next year. As for the bat- sounds like another big hit.
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