karen in et special......behind the grave

[manilaboy]

I was just scanning the television to check whats on tv when i came across this et special regarding stars behind the grave. The medium (i forgot his name), said that Karen wanted to come back very much, that she's still in connection with his brother, that his brother is not over her passing and that the medium saa Karen with a child...he doesnt know if Karen had a miscarriage or if she had a sister...........

[Dave]

Very, very interesting! Thanks for the heads-up, and please let us know if this is going to be on again.

[Rick Henry]

I am very skeptical of mediums. Generally I do not believe them. Most of them are off the mark.

In this case I think they are far off the mark. If Karen were to have had a sister I think by now somewhere we would have heard about this other Carpenter sibling. And if Karen were to have had a miscarriage that may have been hidden at that point in time. But now with the Ray Coleman book, the ABC movie and tons of other information out there I think this we would have also heard of by now. So, I don't believe either.

As for Richard not being over Karen's passing - well that's a given. Even I'm not over her passing - and I never knew her in person.

Good thing about this is that once again Karen's name is in front of the public - which means more exposure - new fans - long live the music.

[Dave]

"I am very skeptical of mediums. Generally I do not believe them. Most of them are off the mark."

I tend to agree with you, especially when so much information is in the public domain.

"In this case I think they are far off the mark. If Karen were to have had a sister I think by now somewhere we would have heard about this other Carpenter sibling. And if Karen were to have had a miscarriage that may have been hidden at that point in time. But now with the Ray Coleman book, the ABC movie and tons of other information out there I think this we would have also heard of by now. So, I don't believe either."

The family history is well-known and is not questionable. Unless Agnes had a miscarriage or a stillborn. That kind of information is often lost in the sands of time. The other option is a metaphysical one, that being the child is the one Karen was meant to have in this life. But, we're talking TV mediums here...take it with a grain of salt.

"As for Richard not being over Karen's passing - well that's a given. Even I'm not over her passing - and I never knew her in person."

Here, you speak for all of us.

"Good thing about this is that once again Karen's name is in front of the public - which means more exposure - new fans - long live the music."


Amen.

[Carps1000]

A XXXXXXXXXX Load Of XXXXXXX & XXXXXXXXX Why do people do these things/say these things. Ken carps1000

[Dave]

Probably because it was close to Halloween? Nothing like a bit of sensationalism from our tabloid TV shows.

[Rick Henry]

dave said:

Probably because it was close to Halloween? Nothing like a bit of sensationalism from our tabloid TV shows.

Yes, we do get a lot of this type programming near halloween.

I don't take shows like this seriously. And I especially do not take television pychics serious at all. Though one has to wonder about the validity of some as the police do consult psychics from time to time. could it be they can really see things others can't? Or is it that they can think "outside the box" and come up with theories and ideas that others don't notice.

[Dave]

Actually, if you look at both of the "medium's" websites, it's all about selling books they've written. Nothing like a bit of free "face time" on a worldwide syndicated tabloid TV show to boost book sales...

[enigma]

I personally don't hold much faith in mediums which is why I liked hudini (sp), the escape artist, so well; he made it his mission in life to debunk and show these people as frauds and he never failed to expose these people even once. There is alot of evidence that some people seem to be able to posess psychic powers like some of the "case busters" that help police and others who seem to have knowledge of the deceased that they could not possibly know but no real hard evidence exists for seers mediums or whatever you want to call them. I accept what a medium once said on ET and that is we all have the same ability as these mediums but are not in tune with these abilities it seems this explanation is a little more plausible than some supernatural power these people posess.

In Karens case I am open minded enough to humor this guy and say he saw what he said he saw from Karen beyond the grave but I think he is way off on his interpretation. As Rick said if Karen had a sister or a miscarriage it would have leaked out by now. Karen wanted children maybe he is misinterpreting this want or unfulfilled emptiness that may have followed Karen beyond the grave. Or he may be just a crazy fraud who knows. Interesting but hard to take seriously.

Yes Rick its good that Karen gets some exposure but preferrably not this way, musically would be better and do Karen more justice and yes Rick long live the music thats what its all about.

[Carps1000]

Agree......... From carps1000 who used to be a werewolf in the UK but whos ok NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

[beaner]

I'm definitely with you all on how you feel about Richard not over Karen's death. Me neither!! I lost both Karen AND my mother that same year and I'm still not over either one. Why should I be? Their memory stays alive with me by not getting over them.

As far as mediums, no I don't hold much faith in them but speaking of faith, divine intervention is one thing I do believe in, especially after some of the things I experienced this weekend while attending the funeral for my aunt who I loved tremendously.

These divine interventions or as some would like to refer to as "coincidences" were enough to bring me the comfort I needed with the grief of losing Aunt Helen. Will I get over her? I certainly hope not!!!

[Rick Henry]

beaner said:

I'm definitely with you all on how you feel about Richard not over Karen's death. Me neither!! I lost both Karen AND my mother that same year and I'm still not over either one. Why should I be? Their memory stays alive with me by not getting over them.

As far as mediums, no I don't hold much faith in them but speaking of faith, divine intervention is one thing I do believe in, especially after some of the things I experienced this weekend while attending the funeral for my aunt who I loved tremendously.

These divine interventions or as some would like to refer to as "coincidences" were enough to bring me the comfort I needed with the grief of losing Aunt Helen. Will I get over her? I certainly hope not!!!

Beautifully written Mary Ann. I agree with you. We should always keep the memory of our dearly departed alive. It's important that we always remember the people who have touched our lives.

[JIM]

I also feel that most mediums are simply cashing in on people desperate to know there loved ones are O.K. and are for the most part are simply grasping on to a fact or two and building a reading based on facts that would be true with or without the involvement of the supernatural.

I do believe that there many forces at work in the universe that we have yet to fully understand. Just because we can not observe or measure them directly does not mean they are less real then those that we can measure. Take music, where does it originate? The mind yes but inspiration, no one has ever measured or observed inspiration, yet for something unseen it is so powerful.

I feel that in the near future we will gain more understanding into the nature of qunatum physics making it possible for us to except that even though we can only observe one dimension that is governed by linear time, which in so many ways is another unseen force. In quantum theory this force is not limited to one direction or reality.

To sum up this medium business, I can only say if there were only one set of outcomes or realities, every medium would have won the lottery and retired. I do believe there are those that have the ability to tune into possible futures as well as possible pasts that are unseen but just as real as our observed present.

Jim

[Dave]

One of the mediums, James Van Praagh, is an executive producer for the hit TV show starring Jennifer Love Hewitt, "Ghost Whisperer". His site sells a lot of books. I don't believe he goes around the world like John Edwards does, but the site lists a lot of things he does.
Being sensitive to the afterlife is rather common. Ask anyone who's ever gotten creeped out at Gettysburg or any Civil War battlefield. From many postings on his site, having interaction with the dead through dreams is rather common as well. Most people can't think beyond what is considered "normal", and don't know how to deal with it. They just say "This can't be happening because it's not 'normal' ", and block it out.
What I find fascinating is the fact that the accumulated body of work in this field is staggering, and would have been considered sorcery only a few years ago. But thanks to medical science, thousands of people have been brought back from death, and they all tell similar stories.
Some of what he said is almost no-brainer territory; like Richard has never gotten over her death. He has said that publicly for the past 22 years.
The parts about Karen being "connected" to him, and seeing Karen with a child...re-read the e-mails I sent you last year, or if you don't have them (I lost mine when I got this computer and couldn't figure out how to transfer them over) drop me a line and I'll refresh your memory.