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Post by Carps1000 on Jul 16, 2005 9:39:02 GMT -5
I have just watched a video channel and on came this soong that had me transfixed. Its called "Shoot You Down or sommat & features Nancy Sinatra & The Bully Boys its so horrid I Love it...but the worst thing is when Nancy S Sings her part its sooo haunting that I can almost hear karen singing it..Honest I kid you not. The thing is that I have gotten ( an american word yep???) oh ok then please yourselves.. it into my head that if K was still alive today & by some miricle had recoreded it .....welll it would have blown right outta the charts..mind you with hindsight I dont think A&M would have allowed her to & proberbly Richard would have banned her & if memory serves me right didnt Karen have a lot to say bout what she sang & recorded so maybe I will just go back to my place behind the dustbins & wait for collection day. If you hear it tho listen, its so horrid its great. Ken Carps 1000 (the only Carps 1000 who used to be a werewolve but is cured NOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW. Well it would have got a laugh on Will & Grace..Ok ok Im goin
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Post by BethMosior on Jul 30, 2005 6:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jul 30, 2005 14:58:39 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts Ken. Karen had little or no say in what songs she got to record there are numerous examples of Richard putting songs on albums that Karen hated and refusing to put on songs Karen wanted on the albums in spit of her protests so if Richard did not like this song it would not be on a Carpenters record even if Karen had survived, It would make a good solo cut however and I agree Karen could only improve on the cheesy version Nancy Sinatra did no offense to Nancy.   |
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Post by Carps1000 on Jul 31, 2005 8:12:33 GMT -5
Cor!!!!! And Karen Idolised her bruv......You know the more I find out about their personal lives & things that went on wether true or not ( theres no smoke without fire you know) the more sadder I become. Thanx for that bit of info. Ken. Carps1000
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 1, 2005 1:45:37 GMT -5
 It is sad for several reasons. I really feel the Carpenter family at their core are decent good living people. I get the sense that they all have (had) good hearts and just want to see good for everyone. But I feel they may not have known how to deal with being super famous. After all there was a time in history when Karen Carpenter was about the best known female singer in the world. Their success was phenomenal. Mind boggling. Even for me and I'm just a fan. They had more than their share of inner turmoils. But what family doesn't. I have a relatively good strong family compared to most of my friends. and believe me my family is far from perfect. We have our issues. And if my family had a member who was superstar status in anything it's hard to say how our family dynamics would be like. But what's so sad about Carpenters is that the most beautiful and cherished person of the family had to leave us so early in life. There is a reason Karen Carpenter was as successful as she was and continue to be to this day. She just was not your ordinary singer. There are several excellent singers out there. But KC stand far above the others. Her voice has always shined. And although her voice is soft and tender she iss also bold and emotive. There are layers to her beautiful voice. Her voice was as sweet as natural honey. She is a one of a kind and sits amongst the alltime greats such as Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Sarah Vaughn, k.d. lang, Dusty Springfield, Patsy Cline and so many many fine female vocalists. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2005 8:47:37 GMT -5
My intention is not to get into the Carpenter Family stuff its pretty sticky stuff when you get right into it. I will say this I do not consider them a typical family they had their things that made them a little on the unusual side but as Rick pointed out they also had very typical family things. There is no debate over the fact that the family loved each other Agnes loved Richard and Karen she just had trouble showing it towards Karen and that affected Karen to a greater degree than Agnes ever realised thats the tragedy here. There did not seem to be alot of real communication between Agnes and Karen and both parties can take their share of the responsibility for that, unfortuneately it had disasterous consequences for Karen. Rick you may be right that they could not handle fame especially the amout of fame over the short period of time that Karen and Richard experienced. Within a year they went from unknown to a world famous act as Rick said Karen was the most famous female in the world at one point How does one deal with that? with the emense pressure of being thrown into that role? how does a middle class Downey Family deal with their Kids being that famous that fast especially when the one you did not expect to be famous is the most famous in this case Karen? no they did not deal with it well but I cant imagine how I would deal with that except that I would never favor one child over another as they did but thats just me I am big on equality and fairness. I do feel that the parents did the best they could with the tools they were given to raise their kids and they did raise two great people for all their flaws that is from what I know of them. Ken don't be sad at what you find out about Karens life yes it had a great deal of pain in it she did not have a happy life but you should do as I do and separate the music from Karens life. Do not let events in Karens life spoil your enjoyment of the great music Karen and Richard made or let you love them any less I know I do not allow that to happen. |
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Post by Carps1000 on Aug 2, 2005 3:37:12 GMT -5
To all of you. Thanx for the wonderful insights and you are all right and at the end of the day who are we to judge their kinda lives as nobody is that perefect. I will continue to just listen to the wonderful music & songs performed by two megastars. God I miss her so much & the thing is I never was lucky enough to have met her or see them perform live. Carps1000 Ken
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Post by Rob813 on Aug 2, 2005 18:58:43 GMT -5
Wow great insights you guys. I think that Karen was very happy when she sang and recorded. In her personal life, she was very unhappy. All the points you made regarding this aspect of Karen's life seem quite true. The only thing I have to add is that Karen never really had a chance to really live apart from her career. There was too much business (recording, touring, the press etc.) and not enough down time. After five years or so, it caught up with both of them and they began to slide. It just wasn't healthy to push themselves to that degree for such a long period of time.
By the time Karen began to address her personal life, it was just too late.
On that note, let's be happy that Karen's legacy is one of joy and exquisite music. I know she would be pleased with that and I know how proud we all are of her.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Aug 2, 2005 19:15:47 GMT -5
Wow great insights you guys. I think that Karen was very happy when she sang and recorded. In her personal life, she was very unhappy. All the points you made regarding this aspect of Karen's life seem quite true. The only thing I have to add is that Karen never really had a chance to really live apart from her career. There was too much business (recording, touring, the press etc.) and not enough down time. After five years or so, it caught up with both of them and they began to slide. It just wasn't healthy to push themselves to that degree for such a long period of time. By the time Karen began to address her personal life, it was just too late. On that note, let's be happy that Karen's legacy is one of joy and exquisite music. I know she would be pleased with that and I know how proud we all are of her. Some eloquently stated things in this thread. I have to agree with all of you in one way or another. But I think Rob has really hit the nail on the head for us, because, as each of you, in his/her own way have stated, Karen's legacy IS one of joy and exquisite music. And I think she would be pleased that we are all still appreciative fans. Cheers! |
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Post by Rick Henry on Aug 2, 2005 21:14:42 GMT -5
Wow great insights you guys. I think that Karen was very happy when she sang and recorded. In her personal life, she was very unhappy. All the points you made regarding this aspect of Karen's life seem quite true. The only thing I have to add is that Karen never really had a chance to really live apart from her career. There was too much business (recording, touring, the press etc.) and not enough down time. After five years or so, it caught up with both of them and they began to slide. It just wasn't healthy to push themselves to that degree for such a long period of time. By the time Karen began to address her personal life, it was just too late. On that note, let's be happy that Karen's legacy is one of joy and exquisite music. I know she would be pleased with that and I know how proud we all are of her. Some eloquently stated things in this thread. I have to agree with all of you in one way or another. But I think Rob has really hit the nail on the head for us, because, as each of you, in his/her own way have stated, Karen's legacy IS one of joy and exquisite music. And I think she would be pleased that we are all still appreciative fans. Cheers! Ditto Rob!
Ditto Tim!
You both have said what is most important is remembering the exquisitely beautiful music and the joy Karen brought forth as she sang. Truly Karen is a one of a kind. |
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Post by Christian on Sept 11, 2005 11:13:11 GMT -5
I have just watched a video channel and on came this soong that had me transfixed. Its called "Shoot You Down or sommat & features Nancy Sinatra & The Bully Boys its so horrid I Love it...but the worst thing is when Nancy S Sings her part its sooo haunting that I can almost hear karen singing it..Honest I kid you not. The thing is that I have gotten ( an american word yep???) oh ok then please yourselves.. it into my head that if K was still alive today & by some miricle had recoreded it .....welll it would have blown right outta the charts..mind you with hindsight I dont think A&M would have allowed her to & proberbly Richard would have banned her & if memory serves me right didnt Karen have a lot to say bout what she sang & recorded so maybe I will just go back to my place behind the dustbins & wait for collection day. If you hear it tho listen, its so horrid its great. Ken Carps 1000 (the only Carps 1000 who used to be a werewolve but is cured NOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW. Well it would have got a laugh on Will & Grace..Ok ok Im goin This is too spooky!!!! I remember hearing this song on "Kill Bill" and I also got completely fixed and had to track down. Like you, I could imagine Karen singing it. It`s not a fantastic song, but there`s something about it, like you say it`s kinda hautning at times. Anyway it`s called "Bang, bang (my baby shot me down) if I remember correctly. |
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