Goodbye To Love..."NO1"

[Carps1000]

Guess what i have just read in one of our tabloids over here. The top 10 charts of songs to kill yourself by!!!..& Cs Goodbye to Love was no1...Who the bloody hell thinks up these "Charts" Just written a rather blasphemus letter to the editor regarding the article ...bet I dont get a reply... Sickos. Remote desert island..pref uninhabited boat about to sink lands there full of these idiot people & LEAVES EM THERE. Just thought I would let you know whats makin the news over here in the UK...No wonder we had to have you lot help us win the war. Ken X

[cam83]

Ken.
I don't see it that way. It is a sad song about someone feeling no one would care if they lived or died...that's the synopsis of the song...a sad song. And it does get the CARPENTERS name back in the public's eyes, even via tabloids...so that's a good thing, as Martha Stewart always says...

My thoughts,
Cam

[enigma]

I must say Ken I do like your passion regarding not taking criticism of the Carpenters sitting down. Its nice you defend them and let others know you don't like them criticising or bashing our Carps. Cam's interpertation is probably right but I would likely see something like that as a cheap shot on the Carps myself.

On another note just want to say Ken I like your sense of humour in your posts. It is a breath of fresh air...cheers.

[smoothie2]

cam83 said:

Ken.
I don't see it that way. It is a sad song about someone feeling no one would care if they lived or died...that's the synopsis of the song...a sad song. And it does get the CARPENTERS name back in the public's eyes, even via tabloids...so that's a good thing, as Martha Stewart always says...

My thoughts,
Cam

???I agree w/ you Cam...as I think most of us do. If anything, someone who is suicidal should find and listen to all the other C's songs. Many songs are sad, but there are lots that aren't.

[Carps1000]

#?? For years I wouldnt tell any One I liked the Cs because of the ridicule..but not any more..The Cs mean a lot to me & I will stand up for sommat I believe in. I will even & have done in the past critizize the Cs too(mainly Richard) over things I find not right but would NEVER critisize their music & I would certainly NEVER say one of their songs was a sound to kill yrself by...so Sorry CAM83 I am unanimus in that. talking about critics/critisizms theres gonna b a lot of critisizims when I get my piccys done for this forum ( OH YES) Youll all be laughin from one state to another when you get to see the face of the notorius Carps1000 in all its glory comin soon to a forum nr you. Enigma...Thanx for your kind words... Yes I am very passionate for the Cs .. more so now than I ever was..& altho my sense of humour can be a bit OTT ... at the end of the day I am a lovely loyal genuine decent hard working geezer who likes to think that he knows right from wrong & who wouldnt harm a fly...unless they trod on me toes... Your very Kind Enigma. Ken Carps1000

[Rick Henry]

Hi Ken, I would have loved to read this entire article. In a way it's a strange honor for the Carpenters to be #1 on any chart. Atleast they weren't #1 on a chart titled "worst group ever" or something like that. although I have seen similar listings.

As for the idea of "songs to kill your self by". All I have to say; is this the best creative minds of today can come up with? I give the idea of this list a big double thumbs down.

Keep us laughing Ken. I can hardly wait to see, as you call it, your piccy.

$V$

[YesterdayOnceMore]

Dave said:

Even though "Goodbye To Love" isn't one of my toe-tappin' favorites, I never have considered it particularly depressing. In the '70s rock era, you will find Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again, Naturally", Terry Jacks' "Seasons In The Sun", and Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear The Reaper", but if you really want some depressing songs, look at country.
Here are some links:

www.questia.com/PM.qst?action=getPage&docId=95183303

www.southend.wayne.edu/modules/news/article.php?storyid=649

These links were garnered by typing "suicide and country music" into Google. The same search with "suicide and Carpenters music" netted nothing!
Whoever came up with that survey needs to get their head out of the cat litter box, and do the research!

Absolutely unbelievable that anyone would come up with such a ridiculous topic to even have a chart for.

Goodbye to Love is a beautiful song, and yes, the lyrics can certainly be viewed as depressing, should one choose to do so. However, Dave - you make a great point here in that so many country song lyrics are so much more melodramatic. Here, Karen is simply singing about the fact that she is blue, and doesn't feel like anyone cares "at that specific point in her life" if she finds love or not. ("..no one ever cared if I should live or die - time and time again the chance for love has passed me by and all I know of love is how to live without it - I just can't seem to find it). BUT she goes on to say "so, I've made my mind up I must live my life alone - and though its not the easy way I guess I've ALWAYS KNOWN I'D SAY GOODBYE TO LOVE."

She chooses in the lyric to go on - not to commit suicide, for the love of pete.

Rick, you and I are thinking absolutely alike in that those who come up with these things should find a life and something better to do, for sure.

Ken, your passion is just incredible. I, too, cannot wait to see your piccy as you refer to it. It's long overdue.

I just don't get why "people" out there who write this crud think this is interesting to anyone. I suppose it's just fodder for the tabloids.

Just some opinions - - -
Tim

[cam83]

I have read lots of tabloids stuff on the CARPENTERS over the last many, many years. I don't let it bother me at all. I mean, I guess I could be picky, when they mention Karen's lowest weight is 79 pounds...(and I am like...NO, she was 77 pounds!!)...or they say that she died starving to death...(which is untrue...she died of complications of Anorexia Nervosa...but at the time of her death, for the several months prior, she had eaten normally...and the tacos and shrimp salad prior to Feb 4th, attest to that)...etc.

I see all those things a bit differently. I see that others will see, who don't know Karen Carpenter, The Carpenters or Anorexia Nervosa...and that makes them seek out the combination of all three(or just one or two or three). Also, it will remind some people too, "Oh yeah! The Carpenters. Karen Carpenter, the girl who died of anorexia, who sang like an angel..."and then they might(and people do) go out and buy a remastered album, or Greatest hits collection...which is how record sales do happen...

My thoughts,
Cam

[YesterdayOnceMore]

Cam, I get your point. And, you and Dave both make a great point..if someone gets to hear Carpenters from this "stuff" that's out there - well, all the better for them, and of course, for record sales. If on the other hand that doesn't happen, well then, who cares if it's this sort of garbage they're reading.

It's all relative.

Pirate!
Tim

[Rick Henry]

YesterdayOnceMore said:

Cam, I get your point. And, you and Dave both make a great point..if someone gets to hear Carpenters from this "stuff" that's out there - well, all the better for them, and of course, for record sales. If on the other hand that doesn't happen, well then, who cares if it's this sort of garbage they're reading.

It's all relative.

Pirate!
Tim

Yes, anytime you see someone's name in a tabloid it definitely creates interest and keeps sales going. I guess that's why certain entertainers do whatever it takes to keep their names in the tabloids - they probably wouldn't have a career without them.