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Post by Carps1000 on Mar 28, 2005 10:37:51 GMT -5
Hi from me. Been meaning to ask this for a while but i wonder if Richard will ever release any more songs from the vaults in A&M. I seem to remember quite a while ago that I read a excerpt from a news interview he gave that there was nothing else to release...after Lovelines. Since then there have been numerous odd songs coming out on albums (ATGB) being the latest with the odd song from the vault on it. I did have a list that someone sent me with 82 un released Cs songs on it some of which since that list arrived have appeared on (FTT 4 CD set) & Ks solo venture & of course (ATGB) According to my list which I must hunt out of my Carpenters Collection archive vault..(.Ok its 3 boxes hidden away in the bottom of one of my drawers.) & check again there are at least 60 or so other songs...When/if I find it I will put the list on here at some point. Someone also sent me a battered old tape of 5 Karen songs that didnt make the Solo album..These are: Midnight/Dont try to win me back again/Somethins Missin/Jimmy Mack/ & One other which title escapes me at the moment. I darent play em to much as im terrified that I will ruin the tape & keep meaning to Tape 2 tape so I have a spare one. I Often wonder if R had done his magic on em what he could have done to make them Carpenterish as altho they are good songs I have heard Karen do better altho maybe its just the bad tape quality. Oh sometimes I wish Richard would just release an album of new songs instead of keep saying that the ones he has in the vaults( if my list is true) are no good...Leave Yesterday Behind/Rainbow Connection to name but a few could hardly be described as poor as I think that they are the Cs at their Best. Agree/Disagree?? Hey like the new Pic Rick. Ken(Carps 1000)
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2005 14:55:16 GMT -5
Hi Ken
the list you refer to is on the internet as well its calleed burried treasures and this list may or may not be accurate. Apparently alot of the songs are incomplete and can't be finished without Karen. Some are also deemed not releaseable as Carpenters records ie Richard does not feel they fit the Carpenters sound. It would be nice to see at least some of these released as I agree the unreleased songs of FTT and ATGB and even the ones on VOTH and lovelines as well as the solo stuff are good as far as I am concerned. All we can do is hope Richard reconsiders like he did with the solo record and releases at least some of the songs in the vault.
As for the solo unreleased if they get released it should be left to Phil Ramone to finish these not Richard Phil produced the solo record and Richard never supported the solo record so he should not and likely wont finish them. Ken if you want to preserve your tape you can get the unreleased solo songs online and listen to them in mp3 format though there is a question of legalities here.
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Post by Carps1000 on Mar 28, 2005 15:39:33 GMT -5
Thanx for yr tip mate. Ill try that & see how I go. Yes i am aware of the legalities with the solo stuff on my tape as a friend of mine warned me to be aware of this & to forget where they came from. Thanx again. Ken
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Post by Rick Henry on Mar 28, 2005 22:42:26 GMT -5
Hi Ken Some are also deemed not releaseable as Carpenters records ie Richard does not feel they fit the Carpenters sound. As for the solo unreleased if they get released it should be left to Phil Ramone to finish these not Richard Phil produced the solo record and Richard never supported the solo record so he should not and likely wont finish them.   I would love to hear some of those songs Richard feels do not fit the Carpenters' sound. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unusual gems in there somewhere. I agree with you you Enigma if Karen's unreleased songs should ever be released it's definitely Phil Ramone who should finish the songs. Phil Ramone is a true master and could do wonders with a part two to Karen's solo album. I'm hoping that some of our Billy Joel band connections may somehow spread the word that there is definitely an interest in the unreleased songs. I have all nine on CD. Although the songs do need the finishing studio touch up, they do sound pretty good as is. Carp1000 you may want to do as Enigma suggested MP3 versions would sound much much better than a cassette copy. MP3's can also be burned on to CD. |
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Post by smoothie2 on Mar 29, 2005 11:09:21 GMT -5
![]() img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/folder/earthspin.gif [/IMG] I think most of us here on the forum, would really love to hear any unreleased songs....and maybe little by little more will come out. I'm glad to know that some are available as has been mentioned.  ???I like Rainbow Conn. and L. Yest. Behind, ... Rainbow Conn. makes me think of songs like Crystal Lullabye I guess because it's a little different than the standard love songs...and is linked to children...or a little bit of fantasy... Leave yest. B. reminds me of "For All w. Know" ... but For. A. W. Know stands up and out on its' own...it's a real gem. 
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Post by JIM on Mar 29, 2005 20:03:24 GMT -5
!@ Hey Ken; One option that takes
you out of the legal conundrum is
a site called wwwgemm.com which sells hard to find CD's and the last time I checked which was today
after hearing that Karen's solo CD
was no longer in PRINT!!!! There
was a CD of Karen's unreleased solo
sessions. The price was a bit steap
62.99 but the list of material and
prices changes almost daily. I am
not sure why this copy was so expensive but it could be that it is one of the earlier versions you
could still get legally before Napster was yanked or the seller
may have sweetned or mastered the
audio in some way. Then there are
secret Santa's that pop down from
the North Pole from time to time,
they are crazy people but it never
hurts to send a letter to Santa.
Like Enigma said the list of songs is buried treasure and I know I
feel the same as Rick, to Richard
they are outakes or demo's deemed
unreleasable but to us they would
be solid gold! I can still remember
Richard back in 89 when Lovelines
was released in an ET interview saying this would be the last release of Carpenters material priod, no if ands or buts. So you
just never know.
JIM
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Post by Rick Henry on Mar 29, 2005 22:07:14 GMT -5
 I can still remember Richard back in 89 when Lovelines was released in an ET interview saying this would be the last release of Carpenters material priod, no if ands or buts. So you just never know. JIM Just look at what has been released since 1989. after "Lovelines" came the 4-disc box set "From The Top" in 1990 and that contained something like 15 or more previously unreleased songs. Then in 1995 we got "Interpretations: A 25th Anniversary Celebration", this included two previously unreleased songs. next came "Karen Carpenter" in 1996 which was 12 previously unreleased solo songs. And then in 2001 came "As Time Goes By" yet another complete album of previously unreleased songs. Since 1989 there have been around 40 songs released which were in the vaults. (I may be wrong in my number of songs released. If anybody has a more accurate number please feel free to post it). I'm still hoping for a live album. I think A Live In Las Vegas album would be a real treat. I'm also hoping for the rest of the unreleased Karen solo songs to be released. And hopes for another album full of those Carpenters "buried treasures". #?? #?? |
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Post by Ming on Mar 30, 2005 2:56:24 GMT -5
I hope all of the songs will be released.  |
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Post by JIM on Apr 1, 2005 14:16:10 GMT -5
!@ Yes Rick A live from DVD is long over due. I know that Richard
has given many reasons why this can
not be done. From not every concert
was video taped to royalty issues
and if that is so than I respect his reasons. The funny thing is I
went to a C's concert back in 73
with my MOM! I am so cool. At West
Virginia University and on one of my recent visits home I asked the
Don Wilcox the director of bands if
footage from concerts was taped and
he said that every musical performance given was in the WVU
archives. So if an out of the way
college concert was taped there
must be more. Not to mention there
numerous apperances in Vegas and Tahoe. Like you said, Richard is
a man of many suprises and I think
he will continue to suprise us with
releases even more exciting than ATGB. Also as time goes by he seems
to be less guarded than in the past, which is not very hard to
understand, after induring the critics while they were in spot light and then putting his life back together after losing Karen,
one would naturally become guarded.
The music of the Carpenters seems
to have recently become recognized for its truly
unique sound and Karen like so many
performers is appreciated more now
than when she was alive
Just Thinking
JIm
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 1, 2005 21:40:00 GMT -5
Excellent insights Jim. As I recall I remember reading somewhere that Richard had every live performance filmed. He obviously has a treasure trove of live footage. One of these days we may see some of this released. We can dream can't we?  |
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Apr 3, 2005 20:01:51 GMT -5
Excellent insights Jim. As I recall I remember reading somewhere that Richard had every live performance filmed. He obviously has a treasure trove of live footage. One of these days we may see some of this released. We can dream can't we? ??# You're right about this, Rick. Richard has posted on his website (I think) and Ray Coleman's book references that every live performance was filmed, so it could be watched to see what could be improved. Now, whether or not any of those recordings had any quality to them, is yet another story. It would be great to have more burried treasures, that's for certain. $&? %?? %?? %?? $&? |
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