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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 25, 2004 0:49:47 GMT -5
@@ Which are your favorite Carpenters songs in the different categories listed below? Country Dark Upbeat 80's Love Song Remake Hit single Guitar solo Jazz Drum solo This is a thinker for me, so I will come back with my answers soon.
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Post by karen69roland on Dec 25, 2004 1:25:28 GMT -5
*********** *********** **************************************** Yeah, me too...
I will come answering with my back, soon..., oops..., I will come back with my answer, soon. Merry Christmas [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Will on Dec 25, 2004 13:28:43 GMT -5
Rick,
Do you have a list of songs that fit under each of these categories?
Thanks.
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 25, 2004 20:46:36 GMT -5
Rick, Do you have a list of songs that fit under each of these categories? Thanks. I have compiled a list of songs for each category. It's a very long list - so give me about two or three days and I will post it here and then we can choose favorites. I also added a category: Show Tunes / Movie Songs
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Post by karen69roland on Dec 25, 2004 23:27:44 GMT -5
*********** *********** **************************************** Original compositions(R. Carpenter) could be a good category too, Rick. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 29, 2004 8:16:11 GMT -5
Maybe we can take this one gnere at a time. Let's start with COUNTRY songs. Here's a list of countryish songs Carpenters have recorded: "Reason To Believe" "Top Of The World" "Jambalaya" "(I'm Caught Between) Goodbye And I Love You" "Sweet Sweet Smile" "Two Sides" "Those Good Old Dreams" "Uninvited Guest" "All Because Of You" (Karen solo) ... did I miss any? My favorites here are: "(I'm Caught Between) Goodbye And I Love You" - this one has an almosr dark feel and I could see this one topping today's modern country charts. It fits well with what you hear on the radio these days. "Sweet Sweet Smile" - This song has a good beefy beat and strong guitar rhythms. Excellent song. "Two Sides" - Love the guitars and Karen's voice "All Because Of You" - a different side of Karen's vocal abilities.
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Post by smoothie2 on Jan 4, 2005 1:16:53 GMT -5
;Dhello all... 1. favorites: country-Sw. Sw. Smile dark- Crescent Noon upbeat-Only Yesterday 80's - "You're Baby Doesn't Love You Anymore" Love Song - For All We know Remake- Help! (the song) hit single- Road Ode guitar solo- Goodbye to Love jazz- This Masquerade drum solo- Mr. Guder Show Tune "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" hope that got it.... though now I got all those several will come up with new categories...which might mean I would have to push down that thinking cap down on my head even moreso...and ....don't see how i could do that....hmmmm
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Post by beaner on Jan 4, 2005 8:13:53 GMT -5
Country - Sweet Sweet Smile Dark - Another Song Upbeat - Top of the World 80's - Touch Me When We're Dancing Love Song - I Won't Last a Day Without You Remake - Dancin' in the Streets Hit Single - We've Only Just Begun Guitar Solo - Goodbye to Love Jazz - Still Crazy After All These Years or Iced Tea if the other isn't Jazzy enough Drum Solo - Strike Up the Band Show Tunes/Movie - Bless the Beasts and the Children
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 4, 2005 21:14:13 GMT -5
@@ Since others have posted their favorites in each category, here goes mine. Country: "Sweet Sweet Smile", "(I'm Caught Between) Goodbye And I Love You" Dark: "Superstar", "Road Ode" Upbeat: "Dancing In The Street" 80's: "Making Love In the Afternoon" Love Song: "Maybe It's You" Remake: "Desperado", "I Can Dream Can't I" Hit single: "Only Yesterday" Guitar solo: "Goodbye To Love", "Please Mr. Postman" Jazz: "Guess I Just Lost My Head", "B'wana She No Home" Drum solo: "I Got Rhythm", "Your Wonderful Parade" Show Tunes / Movie Songs: "Bless The Beasts And Children"
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Post by enigma on Jan 4, 2005 23:48:31 GMT -5
OK Here's My list of course cannot narrow it down to one choice too much great stuff here. Country: "Two Sides", "(I'm Caught Between) Goodbye And I Love You", "Reason To Believe" Dark: "Superstar", "Crescent Noon" Upbeat: "Happy" "Sweet Sweet Smile" 80's: "Making Love In the Afternoon", "Still In Love With You", "When Its Gone", "Touch Me When We're Dancing" Love Song: "Maybe It's You", "Baby Its You" "Someday" Remake: "Help", "Solitaire" Hit single: "Only Yesterday", "Rainy Days and Mondays", "Hurting Each Other" Guitar solo: "Goodbye To Love", "Please Mr. Postman", "Da Doo Ron Ron" Jazz: "Guess I Just Lost My Head", "This Masquarade" Drum solo: "Another Song", "All I Can Do" "Strike Up The Band" Show Tunes / Movie Songs: "Bless The Beasts And Children", "For All We Know"
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 5, 2005 20:43:14 GMT -5
^^ ;D
Hi Enigma. Love the fact that you listed "All I Can Do" for a drum solo favorite. I also love Karen's drum work on this song. It's some of her very best playing. It's also one of my favorite jazz influenced songs by C's or Karen. I have a special little place in my heart for this song.
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Post by enigma on Jan 7, 2005 8:00:21 GMT -5
;D Hi Enigma. Love the fact that you listed "All I Can Do" for a drum solo favorite. I also love Karen's drum work on this song. It's some of her very best playing. It's also one of my favorite jazz influenced songs by C's or Karen. I have a special little place in my heart for this song. I do not know how much of Offerings drumming is considered jazz influenced but I did notice Karens drumming style changed over time (Play Offering and Now And Then listening to the drumming and you'll know what I mean) I really missed her early drumming style whether it be on Offering or the early pre Carpenter incarnations (Like Ice Tea or Caravan for instance). I understand why it had to change but still miss the early drumming style of Kaens. &^ *%
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Post by karen69roland on Jan 7, 2005 8:33:36 GMT -5
Yes, Karen's drumming is different..., with age, Karen got more and more delicate when playing the drums(also, when singing)..., but, also, the songs are very different if you compare *Offering* to *Now And Then*.
Good remark, enigma. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 7, 2005 10:42:23 GMT -5
Yes, Karen's drumming is different..., with age, Karen got more and more delicate when playing the drums(also, when singing)..., but, also, the songs are very different if you compare *Offering* to *Now And Then*.
Good remark, enigma. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] Karen's voice in some ways did become more delicate as the years progressed. :)Although by 1975 her voice was full bloom. She sang with power, grace, and soul. Her pitch, tone, and range were all very well refined. I don't think of her drumming as becoming delicate, but cultured and intricate. And maybe A&M put some restrictions on how she should play. Like you Enigma I do love Karen's early drum work. Though she really did some excellent drumming on "This Masquerade" (great jazz patterns on that one)and "Please Mr. Postman". As for jazz drum patterns on "Offering", definitely on "All I Can Do". The entire song was set on a timing similar to Dave Brubeck's "Take Five". Although much of Karen's drum work is jazz influenced as her main drumming influence comes from jazz greats of the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's.
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Post by karen69roland on Jan 8, 2005 1:07:33 GMT -5
I don't think of her drumming as becoming delicate, but cultured and intricate. And maybe A&M put some restrictions on how she should play. I have to disagree with that... I have a video of Karen doing a drum solo in 1968 and she is younger and raw with the drums..., after 1973 she was really more delicate with the drums, she could hit them, but, her playing(and voice) went with her personality..., raffined and delicate.
..., as for A&M restrictions..., it doesn't match with what Richard wanted. ..., how could they would've like Karen to be more soft when Richard wanted the opposite?
..., ' just my opinion. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 8, 2005 3:03:24 GMT -5
I have to disagree with that... I have a video of Karen doing a drum solo in 1968 and she is younger and raw with the drums..., after 1973 she was really more delicate with the drums, she could hit them, but, her playing(and voice) went with her personality..., raffined and delicate.
..., as for A&M restrictions..., it doesn't match with what Richard wanted. ..., how could they would've like Karen to be more soft when Richard wanted the opposite?
..., ' just my opinion. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow] I guess what I'm trying to say is they were making a slick commercial pop album and Karen's drum work had to reflect this tyle. The earlier work was a more gutsy style (as in "All I Can Do" or "Your Wonderful Parade"). On songs like "This Masquerade" or "Our Day Will Come" a more refined (intricate) drum style is appropriate. I wasn't referring to them wanting her to play softer but to play in a style more suited to style of music they were producing. By 1973 Karen's drumming skills really advanced quite a bit. She was quite a sharp drummer from the beginning and continued to grow and improve as time moved on. As for the terms intricate and delicate - I think we both mean the same thing just using different words to get our point across.
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Post by karen69roland on Jan 8, 2005 3:25:02 GMT -5
..., but, also, the songs are very different if you compare *Offering* to *Now And Then*. Yes, I've mentioned the difference between the two albums, too. [glow=red,2,300][/glow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow][shadow=red,left,300]Roland Chayer[/shadow][shadow=red,left,300] [/shadow]
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Post by enigma on Jan 8, 2005 8:11:44 GMT -5
Ok my post was not really designed to insight debate over how Karens drumming style changed but just that there is a difference and that I miss her earlier style of drumming.
Since the subject is open to the floor I will give you my take on the whole thing. Karens drumming style was always soft as was her voice I admit that on the Offering album it sounded louder and appeared that Karen was hitting the drums harder and yes it did seem to get softer but that was more a reflection of the change in musical direction than anything else. Richard himself said that Karen was always a soft drummer and singer and that he often had to turn the mics up when producing her to get her heard whether it was her singing or her drumming. Since he was there I have to believe what he says to be true thats the basis I use for my view. The drumming style change because they brought Hal Blaine on board to do the drumming on the studio tracks after Offering and he had a pop style of drumming due to all the hits he had drummed on previously. The tracks that Karen did also had to be more pop and less jazz oriented for album consistancy thats what was selling at the time. This especially became evident when the single Close To You was a smash and pretty much left little doubt as to where the sound was going to go. So I believe Karens drumming did not get softer, delicate or more intricate it just went to a more pop direction and less jazz oriented. I do agree it did get better as time went by however. I do not know if this even relates to what has been said but its my take on this subject. &^ *%
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