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Post by Rick Henry on Mar 19, 2004 21:51:57 GMT -5
Personally, I think my sister is an extremely beautiful woman and I am proud to be her brother. There is nothing strange or incestuous in thinking a family member is attractive.
I also think that the jealosy about each others dates was more about not wanting to break their bond as the Carpenters, any possible marriage or heavy relationship could interfere with their careers.
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Post by Rick Henry on Mar 19, 2004 21:56:20 GMT -5
I don't agree with that suggestion at all. I think is down right wrong to think that the Carpenters were incestuous. They were just a brother and sister and that is that! He loved his sister. They were more than brother and sister, in the sense that musically, they were very similar...and also that they were professionally musical partners. Also, in many states and provinces it is not illegal or incestuous for cousins to marry. So that is their choice. Also he was not jealous of Karen's boyfriends. I don't think he took a great fancy to Tom Burris. But it was Karen who was jealous of Richard's girlfriends, in that she was very mothering and kind of bossy to him. Also, if Richard said Karen was beautiful. Well, she was. There really is nothing to read about that. Cameron Right on Cam, you said it the way I was thinking it.
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Post by Jason on Mar 19, 2004 22:09:39 GMT -5
When I was saying about feeling uneasy I didn`t mean incest.Jabbers I don`t think they were into incest
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Post by Federico Cruz on Mar 19, 2004 22:45:44 GMT -5
Richard declared in many occasions that he disliked their smiling photos cheek to cheek the publicity departament of A&M Records made of them. In my country is not a strange thing to marry cousins(if there isn't another option...). My brother is married to our cousin too, and their two children are normals.
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Post by Boat2Sail on Mar 20, 2004 1:19:15 GMT -5
Who would have thought all this would come up just because of one picture.
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Post by Federico Cruz on Mar 20, 2004 9:03:27 GMT -5
I'm not a moralist.
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Post by ThomB on Mar 20, 2004 9:14:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with that suggestion at all. I think is down right wrong to think that the Carpenters were incestuous. They were just a brother and sister and that is that! He loved his sister. They were more than brother and sister, in the sense that musically, they were very similar...and also that they were professionally musical partners. Also, in many states and provinces it is not illegal or incestuous for cousins to marry. So that is their choice. Also he was not jealous of Karen's boyfriends. I don't think he took a great fancy to Tom Burris. But it was Karen who was jealous of Richard's girlfriends, in that she was very mothering and kind of bossy to him. Also, if Richard said Karen was beautiful. Well, she was. There really is nothing to read about that. Cameron This is one interesting thread. I agree with you Cam83.
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2004 3:13:23 GMT -5
is this pic still accessable now that you peeked my curiousity (i don't own More Offerings). If so where can i get it.
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Post by Moe on Mar 28, 2004 3:32:20 GMT -5
Wow! This topic has really changed since its beginning.
I am from a very close knit family and people getting into each other's personal lives, like who they are dating, was pretty normal stuff.
I don't think it is normal to marry a first cousin, but that is my own opinion. As long as it is legal, who cares? I saw Richard's kids on the VH1 special and they seem healthy and happy...and that is what is important.
Yes, there are a lot of pictures to prove that Karen was a very pretty lady.
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Post by Rick Henry on Mar 28, 2004 10:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by dgfarnsworth on Mar 28, 2004 13:58:34 GMT -5
To set the record straight: I know for a fact (though I don't recall all the details) that Richard's wife is "COUSIN" in name only. She was an "ADOPTIVE" daughter. Okay? So, that squelches that argument. (You will have to search further for the details....but seems to me she is somehow related to a band member--maybe Mark Rudolph (now, I am not sure about this part....just trying to jostle a "fogged" memory.) You know, these kinds of rumors get started when people don't have their facts straight. And whoever "suggested" the "chester molester" idea....well, he owes Richard a BIG APOLOGY. I'd be ashamed! (I, myself, am not exactly Richard's greatest fan--but CERTAINLY wouldn't go that far...GEEZ!)
Lordy, I am constantly amazed at where some people's minds go when they don't have all the details. (I heard the whole story....but "memory fades" and I don't recall the details.)
And as far as the "cousin" thing goes.....that happens ALL THE TIME--especially in royalty. And that is a myth: there is no documentation to suggest that first cousins married will have "deformed or defective" children.
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Post by Christian on Apr 1, 2004 5:45:01 GMT -5
Hi all!
Let me start off by saying that I am somewhat surprised and slighly shocked that this picture could cause such an enourmous and also negative response from fans and members. I did not find it to be the least provocative, it is just another reminder of how cool and relaxed our dear Karen was. nor did it shock me that Rich took it, it is not unusual or wrong for a brother to take a pic like this of his sister, and it certainly not an act of incest as some almost suggested!!
If someone find this to be somewhat close to incest than I will come right out and say that you are far off and that you need to reconsider things. I believe this is not unusual or weird between siblings, especially when they are close.
As for Rich marrying his cousin, I would say that there are several types of cousins. There are those first cousins you are raised up together with as I was with 2 of mine. We were extremely close, almost like siblings. In this case I feel it would be wrong to marry them, not because of the blood line but for them being close like siblings. As for the other first cousins, the ones you see a few times a year and really don`t know all that well, there is nothing wrong with getting romantically involved with them as one is not that close. I do not know what relationship Rich and Mary had before they started dating, but I do not believe it was that close in the early years.
As for Rich saying that Karen was an attractive woman...Hello!!!!!! Off course a brother can say this, it means that she is a great girl and a good catch as well as having good looks. When someone links this to incest it provoces me as it is way off and far from incest. I must say that some of the posts on this subject were somewhat too hung up in the incest subject, I believe you seriously need to rethink what incest is and what can be considered as incest. I found some postings appaling as incest is not a subject to throw around, it is deeply tragic and such a big problem in our society.
Wow, this was really a long post but I needed to blow off some steam after reading the posts. I am not a puritan myself, I tend to be somewhat conservative at times, but I strongly believe that posting this picture was not wrong and I will thank my dear friend Rick for making it available to us. Thanks Rick!!!
Christian
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Post by smoothie2 on Apr 1, 2004 17:11:38 GMT -5
:DOHMYOHMY...DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY POSTS ON THIS TOPIC.... I SURELY DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY ABNORMAL OR INCEST WITH R. AND K. AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE MATTER TO BE DROPPED...BUT IT SURELY HAS LED TO SOME VERY INTERESTING IF NOT SOME VERY OFFBEAT CHATS! ALL MY LIFE FOLKS MOSTLY GIRLS OF COURSE, HAVE TOLD ME I HAVE A VERY HANDSOME BROTHER. IN GROWING UP, I DIDN'T THINK OF HIM AS HANDSOME NOR UGLY OR ANYTHING...OTHER THAN BEING A TEASE AND AS AN ADULT A LITTLE ARROGANT. BUT YES HE'S OK IN LOOKS. NOW I DO HAVE ONE COUSIN....WELL, WE'VE NEVER BEEN AROUND EACH OTHER MUCH..BUT, HE'S GOOD LOOKIN' BUT INCEST OR ETC. IDEAS....ARE WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAAAY OFF BASE..AS FAR AS MY FEELINGS.... kAREN AND RICHARD MADE WONDERFUL MUSIC TOGETHER AND IN SOME PICS I THINK THEY COULD ALMOST PASS AS TWINS... MOSTLY, I REALLY MISS KAREN AND HER AND rICHARD'S MUSICAL DAYS TOGETHER.. NOW THE UNDERWEAR PIC....I SEE IT AS A FUN TIME FOR KAREN ...MAYBE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.. ANYWAY, I LIKE TO CONCENTRATE ON BETTER TOPICS...
SMOOTHIE
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Post by cam83 on Apr 1, 2004 18:33:45 GMT -5
EXACTLY sister, Now on to some real topics about their music!!
Cam
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Post by JIM on Apr 1, 2004 21:06:32 GMT -5
Cams right! along with the show! forgive me CAM but today I saw this picture and although it is a departure from the norm. Karen was human and I think she would laugh if she knew how much attention it received. Its is a rare glimpse into the more candid side of two very human people. The Carpenters Forever!!!!!!! JIM
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