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Post by Alan on Jan 6, 2004 19:50:51 GMT -5
I love this tune! Haven't heard any comments about this song, so was wondering what others think. Though not particularly a country western fan, I'm very fond of all of the C's country tinged album cuts and think this is the best of that genre. Guess what I mean by “genre” is use of the pedal steel guitar! That seems to be the clincher. I purchased Interpretations, the 25th anniversary release, sometimes in the past recent years and was so excited to hear a truly new song … new to me, at least. Richard says in the CD notes that he was hooked when first hearing the demo and that it was an arrangers dream. His arrangement is wonderful. To me this song is an example of the C's moving to a different level. Also according to the notes, it looks to me like this was the first place this song was released. Does anyone know? At one time or another I’ve had all original releases from Ticket to Ride to Karen's solo album, but don't remember this song. But then again, after not hearing Passage for over twenty years, I had forgotten all about the wonderful Two Sides before recently reacquainting myself with that cut, thanks to the suggestion of others on this web site. So I could’ve had another senior moment with this song. Tryin' to Get the Feeling was also knew to me as a C's tune, but familiar, obviously, for other reasons. As far as Interpretations goes, I was also glad to be re-familiarized with Reason to Believe as well. From my memories of listening to the Close to You LP these many, many years ago, this really brought back a smile!
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Post by smoothie2 on Jan 6, 2004 22:18:45 GMT -5
hi Alan..the next on my list of the C's albums to buy is the 25th Ann. one you mention, I have not heard the song "When it's Gone", nor the Passage album. I loved Barry Manilow singing "trying to get the feeling" yrs. and yrs. ago, so I know Karen's voice no doubt is wonderful on that one. I have the Close to You and that's the first time I heard "reason to Believe" and really love it too. I really am glad that you are getting re-acquainted with Carpenter music. I wish more and more will do the same. Their songs and style of music and vocals are truly unmatched to anyone these days. Music is very important to my days. If I can connect up a little with at least one song over the radio or an album I have each day, then I find my attitude about things can be changed for the better sometimes. Karen's voice refreshes my spirit. She's an old familiar friend!
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 7, 2004 1:28:35 GMT -5
I love "When It's Gone" especially the guitar work.
The Carpenters recording of "Tryin' To Get the Feeling Again" was first released in 1995 on "Interpretations", but it was recorded back in 1975 during the "Horizon" recording sessions. It's an amazing song. This is yet another song that Manilow had a hit with but the Carpenters recorded first.
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Post by Alan on Jan 7, 2004 1:35:35 GMT -5
I love "When It's Gone" especially the guitar work. The Carpenters recording of "Tryin' To Get the Feeling Again" was first released in 1995 on "Interpretations", but it was recorded back in 1975 during the "Horizon" recording sessions. It's an amazing song. This is yet another song that Manilow had a hit with but the Carpenters recorded first. I re-read my post and realize it was somewhat unclear. Except for that one sentence blurb about "Trying to Get," I meant the whole post to be about "When It's Gone." Was that previously recorded anywhere? Thanks. On ITunes I see where it may be on another compilation, but don't see where it was on any original album. Thanks.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 7, 2004 1:50:12 GMT -5
I re-read my post and realize it was somewhat unclear. Except for that one sentence blurb about "Trying to Get," I meant the whole post to be about "When It's Gone." Was that previously recorded anywhere? Thanks. On ITunes I see where it may be on another compilation, but don't see where it was on any original album. Thanks. Oh! Yes, "When It's Gone" first showed up on the 1981 album "Made In America".
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Post by Alan on Jan 7, 2004 2:13:31 GMT -5
Oh! Yes, "When It's Gone" first showed up on the 1981 album "Made In America". My goodness, and thanks!! I bought that LP when first realeased, and as I said on another post related to Passage, this was a period when I didn't listen to records so much due to professional reasons, though I bought them. Then my vinyl was ruined. I remember some from Made In America, but not this one for some reason. I've been playing it much for the past several years from Interpretations and absolutely love it. Guess I'll eventually replace all the vinyl I lost with CDs. Right now all I have are Now and Then, A Song For You, Yesterday Once More, Karen's solo, Lovelines, Interpretations. and Horizon. Like you I always loved their cuts and the older I get the more I appreciate the cuts as much as the hits. An aside ... I too remember watching the C's international success by perusing the international charts in Billboard. Remember it well, especially how long The Singles remained on the British charts. I am aware of their continued success abroad after they started to falter here. An international memory I have, not Carpenters, is the Hollies hit, Air That I Breath. It was like number one everywhere but the US. I was like ... what the hell is this? It seemed such a funny name just seeing in print. I was a fan of The Hollies from Jr. High with Carrie Ann and Bus Stop. My 7th grade teacher had a niece named Carrie Ann who got to meet them at a concert in Houston as it was her birthday ... due to some connection. Then it was a big beautiful hit here as well finally and the name didn't seem quite so strange. Sorry, I digress. Pop music has such an influence on us all!
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Post by Moe on Jan 8, 2004 4:38:30 GMT -5
"When it's gone" is one of those great album tracks that probably wouldn't have made it as a single, but still a great song. (I would include "One more time" from "Hush" and "I can't make music" from "Now and Then" in this same category.) The arrangement is great and is strong in its own sense, but it stays out of the way of Karen's voice. She takes you on a journey with the lyric and the music helps flesh out the picture. I really like this track and play it often.
I bought the international version of "Interpretations." It must have been released before the U.S. version because I didn't see the U.S. version until a couple of months later. The new songs, including "Tryin to get the feeling" are the same, but the international version has over 20 songs on it. Several more than the U.S. I happen to be browsing through the imports section in a store and found it. That makes my day when that happens.
Also, "Where do I go from here" is another song both Barry Manilow and the Carpenters recorded. Both have fine versions, but the Carpenters' song really shines with Karen's voice and Tony Peluso's guitar.
take care and sorry for rambling on...
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Post by Alan on Jan 8, 2004 16:20:01 GMT -5
"When it's gone" is one of those great album tracks that probably wouldn't have made it as a single, but still a great song. (I would include "One more time" from "Hush" and "I can't make music" from "Now and Then" in this same category.) take care and sorry for rambling on... You think you ramble! I may agree, but think "When" could've hit the country charts. Some trivia that I was never aware of provided by Rick, I think, was that the C's did hit the C&W charts with "Sweet Sweet Smile." Was excited to learn that. With promotion I think other cuts could, or could have, hit as well. Was surprised "Top of the World" didn't enter those charts too even though Lynn Anderson had already hit big with it. Her version was very boring, I thought. C&W fans and stations seem to have open arms to various artists, so that's why I'm was surprised it didn't hit there. I agree with your comments about the other strong album cuts as well. I never tire of hearing them!
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 9, 2004 9:17:14 GMT -5
"Those Good Old Dreams" could have easily been a C&W hit. It's been a popular song in the C&W dance club circuit. I've heard in a few clubs several times - even recently.
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Post by ThomB on Jan 9, 2004 22:12:10 GMT -5
When It's Gone is one of my most favorite album tracks. I used to play this one over and over when the album was first released.
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2004 23:50:34 GMT -5
"Those Good Old Dreams" could have easily been a C&W hit. It's been a popular song in the C&W dance club circuit. I've heard in a few clubs several times - even recently. I agree about Those Good Ol' Dreams' C&W hit potential. A much simpler song ... happy and upbeat. And thrilled to hear it gets club play. Do people actually dance to it? Don't know much about C&W dancing, but have watched. Seems this would be hard to dance to with it's rambling beat. Or maybe they just play for listening? Just curious. I always wondered back when if any attempt was made for any of their country type songs to be marketed to C&W stations. Obviously "Sweet Sweet Smile was." But I guess there are other ways for any one tune to catch one DJs ear some how and take off from there. At least back then.
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 10, 2004 3:34:50 GMT -5
People actually danced to "Those Good Old Dreams", as a matter of fact they would flock to the dance floor when it came on, it was very well liked. Although the DJ's generally sped it up a bit. I think it was used for the two-step.
I don't think "Sweet Sweet Smile" was marketed to country music radio. From what I recall it was a total fluke that it was such a huge C&W hit.
A few months back there was a thread about "Sweet Sweet Smile" where we discovered the song was currently being used for a line dance in a South American C&W dance club.
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Post by Moe on Jan 10, 2004 6:36:30 GMT -5
Those Good old Dreams, Top of the World, Two Sides, When it's Gone, Desperado, Reason to Believe, Sweet, Sweet Smile, and Jambalaya all have a country feel to them. A future compilation idea may be a country album. Richard could include the songs listed above and remix or re-record the music to other songs and "country" them up a bit. Songs like Ordinary fool, One More Time, and All You Get from Love is a Love Song, could easily turn into country flavored tunes. What do you think? What other Carpenters' songs would fit a "country" remix? (If this idea is a little off the wall, it is 4:30 AM and I shouldn't be held responsible... )
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Post by Alan on Jan 10, 2004 18:15:21 GMT -5
Those Good old Dreams, Top of the World, Two Sides, When it's Gone, Desperado, Reason to Believe, Sweet, Sweet Smile, and Jambalaya all have a country feel to them. A future compilation idea may be a country album. Now that's an idea! I never thought of that and don't think it's off the wall in the least given their other compilation releases. It could possibly even launch them into the C&W footlights again! There's so much pop in country now anyway. Don't have any input concerning additional remixes to include right now ... I'll have to think about that some more!
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Post by cam83 on Jan 10, 2004 20:26:57 GMT -5
Country World...(a possible Carpenters compilation)
When It's Gone
Those Good Old Dreams
Top of the World
Sweet Sweet Smile
Goofus
Two Sides
Reason To Believe
The End of the World
The Univited Guest
Desperado
Jambalaya
Solitaire
Happy
I Can't Make Music
Baby It's You
Love Me For What I Am
When You've Got What It Takes
Leave Yesterday Behind
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 11, 2004 0:05:27 GMT -5
My choices for country compilation would be:
Desperado Reason To Believe Top Of The World Sweet Sweet Smile Those Good Old Dreams (I'm Caught Between) Goodbye and I Love You When It's Gone Jambalaya Two Sides The Uninvited Guest The End Of The World One More Time It's Going To Take Sometime All Because Of You (Karen solo) Nowhere Man Something's Missing (from Karen's unreleased set)
A complete reworking of "Remember When Loving Took All Night" would work. Take away the disco music and add an upbeat honky tonk type rhythm with fiddles and slide guitar and Karen's existing vocal would work perfectly.
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Post by Alan on Jan 11, 2004 1:01:02 GMT -5
My choices for country compilation would be: It's Going To Take Sometime All Because Of You (Karen solo) Nowhere Man A complete reworking of "Remember When Loving Took All Night" would work. Take away the disco music and add an upbeat honky tonk type rhythm with fiddles and slide guitar and Karen's existing vocal would work perfectly. These that I highlighted are interesting choices. I would never have thought about It’s Going to Take Some Time, but I do believe you’re right if remixed and a new arrangement! Also what about Nowhere Man? You mean the Beatles song? Now I know I’m not having a senior moment here (I don’t think!). This wasn’t on any studio album that I remember. Is this a release and where is it included? I would really like to hear it. The edgy All Because of You is my fav from the solo anyway, and it does have that new country/folk quality to it. Now, back to Saturday Night Live!!
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Post by Rick Henry on Jan 12, 2004 0:29:09 GMT -5
Also what about Nowhere Man? You mean the Beatles song? Now I know I’m not having a senior moment here (I don’t think!). This wasn’t on any studio album that I remember. Is this a release and where is it included? I would really like to hear it. Yes, this is the Beatles song. It's included on the Carpenters CD released in 2001 titled "As Time Goes By". This album is a collection of previously unreleased material including; "Karen / Ella Medley", "The Rainbow Connection", "Leave Yesterday Behind", "California Dreamin'", "Dancing In The Street","I Got Rhythm" and several others. It's an excellent album you should check it out. click on the link below, scroll almost all the way down to the bottom of the page under the heading JAPANESE RELEASES and you'll see the "As Time Goes By" album. www.carponline.bravepages.com/page5.htm
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