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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 21, 2008 11:47:47 GMT -5
There were several topics discussed here on this forum that made me think of a singer who I'd like to "introduce" here.. First time I thought of her was when we spoke about how a well-produced Carpenters / Karen Carpenter Remix-Album could get C.'s back to the top again. Then I thought of her when Rick started his "I love Donna Summer"-Thread. And finally the fact that some of you are into Disco in general made me think, it would be interesting to here what you think of her. Her name is Marianne Rosenberg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne_RosenbergShe achieved what I think could be great for the Carpenters music as well: being a Schlager Star in the 70s, she had a huge comeback in 2004 with a Remix album together with some popular DJs. It pleased her fans from back then and gave her the attention of a whole new (younger) audience. Can't really compare her to Donna Summer, but like her Marianne Rosenberg is a huge icon for the gay community. Here are a few links to some of her songs (German and English). I'm not really into Schlager, but she has some great songs. I'd really like to know what you think of her! ORIGINAL SONGS Marleen de.youtube.com/watch?v=xdhXixDOzwE(my favourite, the most beautiful lyrics!) Er gehört zu mir de.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ZAiBvuo6IENGLISH VERSIONS The English lyrics are totally different to the German lyrics. The songs in the English versions have a complete different meaning.. It's wrong (Marleen) de.youtube.com/watch?v=N_k_AMxAaEwHow can I go now (Er gehört zu mir) de.youtube.com/watch?v=IHohBA9-BnQA V.I.P. (Ich bin wie Du) de.youtube.com/watch?v=n08hDOa_oy0REMIXES Er gehört zu mir - Tom Novy's Club Mix de.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlqVjTJQUAMarleen - Club Mix 2004 de.youtube.com/watch?v=wobj2bQIYFkHope to get a feedback from some of you  |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 21, 2008 21:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 22, 2008 17:35:22 GMT -5
Hey Rick, somehow I hoped that MR could be to your liking. Glad to see that I wasn't that wrong. The Petula Clark - Leslie Gore comparison - a big compliment to her voice, but quite fitting, you're right. You know what reminds me of Karen when I see MR? MR used to have the image of the very young, very sweet and kind of naive girl, with a beautiful voice, that sings more or less innocent Pop resp. Schlager songs. In the 80s MR started something like a (musical) emancipation. Since then she did a lot of experiments: from New Wave and Rock to Jazz and Chansons, acted in movies and musical etc. Today she performs the old hits from the 70s as well as her other, more experimental songs in her concerts. At this point it's quite obvious what makes me think of Karen. It just makes me wonder where she would be today musically. What kind of experiments would she have tried out. With whom would she have worked together. What kind of image would she have today etc. Especially her solo work shows that there was a lot more to expect.. But at the same time I'm sure that she would have never give up on the the work with Richard and their music. But this is just my personal dreamland, you know. Karen celebrating and evolving the Carpenters music together with Richard and at the same time working in solo projects with the chance to try out something totally different.. Here are some of MR's "experiments": 80s Rouge et Noir - Love your Muscles (a New Wave project together with her friend, who is an author) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfBkI8wgBFo90s Liebe kann so weh tun (musically "Back to the Roots" but a new look) www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PgZn6Zu-BQfrom her latest album (November 2007), very jazzy.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTzh9_kGHh0 |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 22, 2008 21:05:52 GMT -5
Hey Rick, somehow I hoped that MR could be to your liking. Glad to see that I wasn't that wrong. The Petula Clark - Leslie Gore comparison - a big compliment to her voice, but quite fitting, you're right. You know what reminds me of Karen when I see MR? MR used to have the image of the very young, very sweet and kind of naive girl, with a beautiful voice, that sings more or less innocent Pop resp. Schlager songs. In the 80s MR started something like a (musical) emancipation. Since then she did a lot of experiments: from New Wave and Rock to Jazz and Chansons, acted in movies and musical etc. Today she performs the old hits from the 70s as well as her other, more experimental songs in her concerts. At this point it's quite obvious what makes me think of Karen. It just makes me wonder where she would be today musically. What kind of experiments would she have tried out. With whom would she have worked together. What kind of image would she have today etc. Especially her solo work shows that there was a lot more to expect.. But at the same time I'm sure that she would have never give up on the the work with Richard and their music. But this is just my personal dreamland, you know. Karen celebrating and evolving the Carpenters music together with Richard and at the same time working in solo projects with the chance to try out something totally different.. Here are some of MR's "experiments": 80s Rouge et Noir - Love your Muscles (a New Wave project together with her friend, who is an author) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfBkI8wgBFo90s Liebe kann so weh tun (musically "Back to the Roots" but a new look) www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PgZn6Zu-BQfrom her latest album (November 2007), very jazzy.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTzh9_kGHh0Ooooohhh... I like these songs even more. I really like "Love Your Muscles"... but you know I'm a big fan of 80's New Wave... and MR did it quite well. I will probably seek all of her 80's new wave sounds. I love the 90's song... her voice has matured, grown and refined with age... I really like this one a lot. The 2007 is excellent... I really like this type style. I agree... MR also reminds me of Karen in the sweet girl next door image. She seemed to have that same sort of shyness and innocence. But, that's all just image anyway. This also makes me think of how Karen (and/or Carpenters) would have experimented in the coming decades. Certainly Karen's solo album was an indicator that Karen was not afraid to go against the odds and try something most people would never expect of her. I think Karen would have experimented with more rhythm based songs such as New Wave and Pop dance tunes. She may have done an album of standards. I think she would have certainly explored more of the smooth jazz/funk side which she so wonderfully produced on her solo album in songs like "Guess I Just Lost My Head", "Still Crazy After All These Years", "If We Try", "If I Had You" and others. I feel Richard's solo album "Time" is a good indicator as to the direction Carpenters would have taken in the late part of the 80's. "Time" is a fair work, which is far from the excellence he produced in the 70's with Karen. But, the album does have it's few highlights. The song "When Time Was All We Had" is lyrically poignant, but Richard's lead vocal just does not capture me. Richard recorded some of your standard Carpenters types with "Something In Your Eyes" (Dusty Springfield) and "In Love Alone" (Dionne Warwicke). But there were also some upbeat Beach Boys harmony type songs such as "Who Do you Love?". The best song on the album (and really the only song on the album I like) is "Say Yeah!"... I would have loved to hear Karen sing this rocking electric guitar heavy dance-pop tune. This is a direction which would have been very successful for Carpenters. Anyway, thanks for sharing CG... some real good thoughts here.  |
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 23, 2008 6:34:19 GMT -5
Hey Rick, somehow I hoped that MR could be to your liking. Glad to see that I wasn't that wrong. The Petula Clark - Leslie Gore comparison - a big compliment to her voice, but quite fitting, you're right. You know what reminds me of Karen when I see MR? MR used to have the image of the very young, very sweet and kind of naive girl, with a beautiful voice, that sings more or less innocent Pop resp. Schlager songs. In the 80s MR started something like a (musical) emancipation. Since then she did a lot of experiments: from New Wave and Rock to Jazz and Chansons, acted in movies and musical etc. Today she performs the old hits from the 70s as well as her other, more experimental songs in her concerts. At this point it's quite obvious what makes me think of Karen. It just makes me wonder where she would be today musically. What kind of experiments would she have tried out. With whom would she have worked together. What kind of image would she have today etc. Especially her solo work shows that there was a lot more to expect.. But at the same time I'm sure that she would have never give up on the the work with Richard and their music. But this is just my personal dreamland, you know. Karen celebrating and evolving the Carpenters music together with Richard and at the same time working in solo projects with the chance to try out something totally different.. Here are some of MR's "experiments": 80s Rouge et Noir - Love your Muscles (a New Wave project together with her friend, who is an author) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfBkI8wgBFo90s Liebe kann so weh tun (musically "Back to the Roots" but a new look) www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PgZn6Zu-BQfrom her latest album (November 2007), very jazzy.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTzh9_kGHh0Ooooohhh... I like these songs even more. I really like "Love Your Muscles"... but you know I'm a big fan of 80's New Wave... and MR did it quite well. I will probably seek all of her 80's new wave sounds. I love the 90's song... her voice has matured, grown and refined with age... I really like this one a lot. The 2007 is excellent... I really like this type style. I agree... MR also reminds me of Karen in the sweet girl next door image. She seemed to have that same sort of shyness and innocence. But, that's all just image anyway. This also makes me think of how Karen (and/or Carpenters) would have experimented in the coming decades. Certainly Karen's solo album was an indicator that Karen was not afraid to go against the odds and try something most people would never expect of her. I think Karen would have experimented with more rhythm based songs such as New Wave and Pop dance tunes. She may have done an album of standards. I think she would have certainly explored more of the smooth jazz/funk side which she so wonderfully produced on her solo album in songs like "Guess I Just Lost My Head", "Still Crazy After All These Years", "If We Try", "If I Had You" and others. I feel Richard's solo album "Time" is a good indicator as to the direction Carpenters would have taken in the late part of the 80's. "Time" is a fair work, which is far from the excellence he produced in the 70's with Karen. But, the album does have it's few highlights. The song "When Time Was All We Had" is lyrically poignant, but Richard's lead vocal just does not capture me. Richard recorded some of your standard Carpenters types with "Something In Your Eyes" (Dusty Springfield) and "In Love Alone" (Dionne Warwicke). But there were also some upbeat Beach Boys harmony type songs such as "Who Do you Love?". The best song on the album (and really the only song on the album I like) is "Say Yeah!"... I would have loved to hear Karen sing this rocking electric guitar heavy dance-pop tune. This is a direction which would have been very successful for Carpenters. Anyway, thanks for sharing CG... some real good thoughts here. Cool!! Yes, of course I know you're a big fan of those New Wave type of music from the 80s. And it came into my mind that MR had done some songs in this genre. I think it's hard to find those Rouge et Noir songs. I have another one, that you'll not find on YouTube. I'll send it to you via E-Mail. But I think if you browse a little through her YouTube Clips, you'll find some more songs you like. I totally agree on what you said about Karen. I can't really rate Richards solo work, because I know only a few songs, like "When time was all we had" for instance. Other than you, to me the whole song is really poignant. The lyrics of course, but also Richards voice, that in its "imperfection" always shows that there's something missing - Karen. Apropos comparing KC's and MR's image: www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8P8SU6Zo4Seemed to be the coolest thing to do around 69/70: singing in a snowy landscape Seems familiar, doesn't it? Finally a clip of Marianne's supporting act Melotron. Great song and great video. Maybe you know them already. I think they did a few U.S. tours and released some singles there. But even in Germany they are very underground. I did not know them to this day, but really like this song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVbF4azFZw |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 23, 2008 8:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 23, 2008 17:16:54 GMT -5
Interesting that you already knew them. I don't know anything about a collaboration with Moroder, but I never heard of Melotron till today, so could be.. Concerning Richards voice: that's why I put imperfect in quotation marks. He may be technically perfect, though I'm not sure about that. Because even if he's not off-key etc. I don't think his performance on "When time was all we had" is perfect. But I thought of imperfect more in the sense of incomplete. His voice reaches perfection in combination with Karen's voice, he's just no lead-singer. I hear Richard singing this song and not only the lyrics make me think of Karen, but also his voice, because I just feel the lacking of Karen's voice. Do you know what I mean? Apart from that I think we don't really share the same taste in male voices. You named some great singers, but I have no problem with less masculine voices. I really like Richard on "I kept on loving you" for instance, which wold be too "sweet" for you, too, I guess. I don't have a favourite male singer, but those I like to listen to are not that masculine or gutsy, when I think about it: Marcos Valle, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Justin Timberlake, Frank Sinatra. The only exceptions that I can think of right now would be Jamie Cullum and Gilbert Becaud.. |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 23, 2008 19:48:45 GMT -5
Interesting that you already knew them. I don't know anything about a collaboration with Moroder, but I never heard of Melotron till today, so could be.. Concerning Richards voice: that's why I put imperfect in quotation marks. He may be technically perfect, though I'm not sure about that. Because even if he's not off-key etc. I don't think his performance on "When time was all we had" is perfect. But I thought of imperfect more in the sense of incomplete. His voice reaches perfection in combination with Karen's voice, he's just no lead-singer. I hear Richard singing this song and not only the lyrics make me think of Karen, but also his voice, because I just feel the lacking of Karen's voice. Do you know what I mean? Apart from that I think we don't really share the same taste in male voices. You named some great singers, but I have no problem with less masculine voices. I really like Richard on "I kept on loving you" for instance, which wold be too "sweet" for you, too, I guess. I don't have a favourite male singer, but those I like to listen to are not that masculine or gutsy, when I think about it: Marcos Valle, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Justin Timberlake, Frank Sinatra. The only exceptions that I can think of right now would be Jamie Cullum and Gilbert Becaud.. |
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