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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 10, 2005 23:18:16 GMT -5
Oh, Rick, I watched every minute of the floral parade. This is unlike any experience I have ever had. You are a wonderful host, and a real party giver...you know how to keep the surprises coming. And underneath it all, is a heart to bring people together. It's funny, we've talked more about each other than even Karen and Richard, but BECAUSE of them, we all gathered here tonight. Anyone want to join me at the diner nearby when we leave the party? We could go to the ValBrook or the Concord. Copey, remember the Concord? It's redecorated, but the train still makes it rattle when it goes by. But I'm in no hurry to leave the party. As long as guests are arriving or typing, I'm here! (Spotso doesn't care...she is sleeping on the couch...says Meow.) Palma, I am happy that you enjoyed Your Wonderful Parade.
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Post by GoodOldDreams on Dec 10, 2005 23:21:04 GMT -5
Hi there everyone...just logged in....not sure what all is going on in here.....but I think I read you are talking about who lives the farthest from Palma. Would that be me here in Canada??? Heartwaves... hug, hug... so glad you made it. GoodOldDreams also just made it here a few minutes ago. Glad to have both of you here. Hi Rick, Nice to be here in your wonderfully appointed "basement" with all this conviviality and hot danishes!
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Post by smoothie2 on Dec 10, 2005 23:23:21 GMT -5
I've been listening to all the Carps. Christmas music all wk....that I'll be home for Christmas...and Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas gee...those are real classics and of course to hear from Karen and Richard ..extra special..
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Post by palmapascale on Dec 10, 2005 23:24:20 GMT -5
Cameron, I got the news that she died from a friend who lived far away whose name is Chris. He called, very agitated, and told me something terrible had happened, and she had died. He was concerned about how I might feel when I heard the news. It was the first I had heard of it. I felt very strange, like it couldn't be, because she was young, and at the time, anorexia was not on the table. During the time I had more contact with their office, Ed would only say Karen was "exhausted" from her trips to sing, and needed to rest, and that is why I wasn't hearing anything new on them cutting more of my songs. But now I know, that was a lie. She was as sick, and thin as she could be, as I soon saw in the terrible pictures they ran in People Magazine, and such. I felt such a sadness, and an emptiness, because everything that could still have happened for them would never be. I remember thinking "How is Richard going to LIVE now?" I tried to call Ed Sulzer that week to express my condolences and my distress, but his wife said he was too upset to talk about it, and he never called me again. There was a feeling I had that she would never be here to sing more beautiful songs, and I kept thinking "Is THAT how it all ends? It was all so fast, so furious, and now, nothing?" I was deeply sad. And extremely surprised, because their "secret" had killed her. All image, no truth, no chance to recover or acknowledge this illness, and get help.
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2005 23:25:07 GMT -5
Oh, Rick, I watched every minute of the floral parade. This is unlike any experience I have ever had. You are a wonderful host, and a real party giver...you know how to keep the surprises coming. And underneath it all, is a heart to bring people together. It's funny, we've talked more about each other than even Karen and Richard, but BECAUSE of them, we all gathered here tonight. Anyone want to join me at the diner nearby when we leave the party? We could go to the ValBrook or the Concord. Copey, remember the Concord? It's redecorated, but the train still makes it rattle when it goes by. But I'm in no hurry to leave the party. As long as guests are arriving or typing, I'm here! (Spotso doesn't care...she is sleeping on the couch...says Meow.) I'm no Inspector Clouseau, but I think that you two really need to get together for the holidays, and iron out whatever it is that's keeping you two apart. Time's wasting...
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Post by heartwaves on Dec 10, 2005 23:26:18 GMT -5
I love this parade of flowers! I was curious to what the parade would be about......what a beautiful touch to this basement party!!! With snow all around us, and - 15 degree weather outside, I welcome the look of flowers right now! Oh, how I miss them!!!
I'm still reading up here and trying to understand what topic you all are on.... I'll jump in sooner or later. But I'd like to say a big HELLO to Palma.....how wonderful to have you here!!! What a wonderfully gifted lady you are!!!
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2005 23:26:47 GMT -5
Cameron, I got the news that she died from a friend who lived far away whose name is Chris. He called, very agitated, and told me something terrible had happened, and she had died. He was concerned about how I might feel when I heard the news. It was the first I had heard of it. I felt very strange, like it couldn't be, because she was young, and at the time, anorexia was not on the table. During the time I had more contact with their office, Ed would only say Karen was "exhausted" from her trips to sing, and needed to rest, and that is why I wasn't hearing anything new on them cutting more of my songs. But now I know, that was a lie. She was as sick, and thin as she could be, as I soon saw in the terrible pictures they ran in People Magazine, and such. I felt such a sadness, and an emptiness, because everything that could still have happened for them would never be. I remember thinking "How is Richard going to LIVE now?" I tried to call Ed Sulzer that week to express my condolences and my distress, but his wife said he was too upset to talk about it, and he never called me again. There was a feeling I had that she would never be here to sing more beautiful songs, and I kept thinking "Is THAT how it all ends? It was all so fast, so furious, and now, nothing?" I was deeply sad. And extremely surprised, because their "secret" had killed her. All image, no truth, no chance to recover or acknowledge this illness, and get help. It felt as if I'd lost my sister, and still feels that way.
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 10, 2005 23:26:56 GMT -5
I finally pulled out my double disc "Christmas Collection" - which is both Carpenters Christmas albums in one package. I listened to the "Christmas Portrait" disc today. what an outstandingly beautiful collection of Christmas classics. I still have "The Christmas Waltz" chiming through my mind.
I also played the "A Song For You" album today specifically to listen to the classic "Road Ode" - Karen really put all her heart and soul into that somewhat autobiographical song.
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Post by thecopey on Dec 10, 2005 23:27:06 GMT -5
Oh, Rick, I watched every minute of the floral parade. This is unlike any experience I have ever had. You are a wonderful host, and a real party giver...you know how to keep the surprises coming. And underneath it all, is a heart to bring people together. It's funny, we've talked more about each other than even Karen and Richard, but BECAUSE of them, we all gathered here tonight. Anyone want to join me at the diner nearby when we leave the party? We could go to the ValBrook or the Concord. Copey, remember the Concord? It's redecorated, but the train still makes it rattle when it goes by. But I'm in no hurry to leave the party. As long as guests are arriving or typing, I'm here! (Spotso doesn't care...she is sleeping on the couch...says Meow.) I'm no Inspector Clouseau, but I think that you two really need to get together for the holidays, and iron out whatever it is that's keeping you two apart. Time's wasting... So true, Dave! I think you guessed "the secret."
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2005 23:28:58 GMT -5
I'm no Inspector Clouseau, but I think that you two really need to get together for the holidays, and iron out whatever it is that's keeping you two apart. Time's wasting... So true, Dave! I think you guessed "the secret." "It's not always rainbows and butterflies It's compromise that moves us along."
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Post by smoothie2 on Dec 10, 2005 23:29:57 GMT -5
???Fabulous party and parade Rick !! Life is much more fun to have great friends gather round... I never been to NY. I saw on home and garden network..decorative windows being made up for Macy's and then in Dallas Neiman Mar. ...just beyond...anything I could see...
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2005 23:30:41 GMT -5
Kathy, it's great to have you and everyone else here.
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Post by palmapascale on Dec 10, 2005 23:32:19 GMT -5
If you all think about it, Karen's illness and death crashed thru that ceiling of shame, and made anorexia a more studied and acknowledged disease, as did Rock Hudson's sickness and suffering with AIDS around the same time. We became a much more open culture at that point when it came to talking about these things. Yet I remember thinking, I didn't want Karen to be remembered more for this illness, than her talent. It seems like they can never tell the story about her without this as the final chapter. I really wish we could erase that. The sickness just wrapped her up because the public focus can become so intense, hardly anyone can cope with the pressure and criticism the public brings to bear. When you become famous so early, so unexpectedly, you can't believe what is happening to you. It's exciting, but scarey as well, since so many people start telling you "how to be" for your image, etc. Don't we see the same thing in Mariah Carey, and other pop stars, and entertainers? And the "thin" thing...it's never enough, and then it's TOO much, so you're never JUST RIGHT. Ugh.
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2005 23:33:34 GMT -5
Well folks, it's past my bedtime. I have certainly enjoyed everyone who's been with us this evening, and Palma, I sincerely hope that you and Copey get it together, because it sounds to me like you miss one another. Let's all do this again next week. Goodnight, everybody.
Dave
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Post by smoothie2 on Dec 10, 2005 23:33:53 GMT -5
Roland loved the pic of your kitty with the gun... guess i better go now...it's been so wonderful everybodyandglad to have you Palma...watch your step everyone going back up those stairs..kelly from RegisandKelly almost took a fall... bye hugs hugs...
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 10, 2005 23:33:56 GMT -5
Cameron, I got the news that she died from a friend who lived far away whose name is Chris. He called, very agitated, and told me something terrible had happened, and she had died. He was concerned about how I might feel when I heard the news. It was the first I had heard of it. I felt very strange, like it couldn't be, because she was young, and at the time, anorexia was not on the table. During the time I had more contact with their office, Ed would only say Karen was "exhausted" from her trips to sing, and needed to rest, and that is why I wasn't hearing anything new on them cutting more of my songs. But now I know, that was a lie. She was as sick, and thin as she could be, as I soon saw in the terrible pictures they ran in People Magazine, and such. I felt such a sadness, and an emptiness, because everything that could still have happened for them would never be. I remember thinking "How is Richard going to LIVE now?" I tried to call Ed Sulzer that week to express my condolences and my distress, but his wife said he was too upset to talk about it, and he never called me again. There was a feeling I had that she would never be here to sing more beautiful songs, and I kept thinking "Is THAT how it all ends? It was all so fast, so furious, and now, nothing?" I was deeply sad. And extremely surprised, because their "secret" had killed her. All image, no truth, no chance to recover or acknowledge this illness, and get help. Wonderfully worded Palma. I was at home with my roommate watching TV and it came on the news. I was shocked. Everybody heard about it. This was major news. I was so shocked that I don't think I really had any feelings about it at that point. I think I was numb. Like this wasn't supposed to happen. And you are right it was all a big cover up. Nobody had any idea that karen was sick - except the insiders. When my mom saw the pictures of Karen on the People magazine cover she began to weep. She said that Karen looked so sad and so thin.
I keep the young, youthful, vibrant Karen in my mind. That's the way I wish to remember her. The drummer girl with the voice of gold.
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Post by palmapascale on Dec 10, 2005 23:34:44 GMT -5
Hey Rick, just noticed, when did I become a Certified Silver Member? I like that (altho I'm not sure what it means!)
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Post by cam83 on Dec 10, 2005 23:34:56 GMT -5
Very sad to hear Palma. To know one of your songs was sung by a beautifully voiced angel of a singer, who was silenced.
I always try to imagine the music she could have sung to this date. Or I 'll hear a song and think, that is perfect for Karen, or the singer will remind me so much of Karen. That is why I love your voice. Which makes me ask...how does it feel to know that you can touch people by the purity and beauty of your voice? To know it can bring people to their knees...
Cam
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