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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Jan 10, 2007 21:05:51 GMT -5
Anyone here a Harry James Potter fan? I am, and hope we can get a good discussion going about the possibilities of JK Rowling's 7th and final installment in the Harry Potter series. The title alone is full of mystery - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I'll be back with some of my thoughts, but hoped to get the thread started, and perhaps some discussion going. For the record, I am both a huge Potter fan, as well as a fan of the author, Jo Rowling. Jo is a delightful individual, and we have corresponded. We definitely have a common thread running through our lives. More on this later, too. Discuss... Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Jan 11, 2007 16:40:05 GMT -5
I'm a big HP fan, too. I like to speculate on where this story might lead, but more than that, it is just fun to go for the ride.
Where/when did the title pop out ... HP & the Deathly Hallows?
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Jan 11, 2007 17:21:06 GMT -5
The title was announced last month, sometime. All my family are big HP fans, and having the 5th movie (Goblet of Fire) and the 7th and FINAL book coming out in the same summer is, well......it's great!!! Yes, let's do some speculating here about what might happen. I have a theory about Dumbledore, and Harry, and Voldemort....I'll spill in a few days. How bout you wj7 and Others out there - any ideas on what's gonna happen??? Let's hear about it. Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Jan 11, 2007 19:22:39 GMT -5
Things to ponder ...
Dumbledore's last bit of 'attention' ...is there more than what is being revealed.
There are so many Weasley's one has to wonder what will happen there.
Longbottom/Potter and the prophesy.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Feb 5, 2007 22:33:09 GMT -5
So, this swirl icon looks like it could be a bit "magical" don't you think? CAUTION TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT READ THROUGH BOOK 6 - I DON'T WANT TO REVEAL PLOT LINES TO YOU, SO, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK....WE WILL DISCUSS UP TO BOOK 6, AND SPECULATE ON BOOK 7, THE FINAL INSTALLMENT, SO IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE SPOILED.....DON'T READ ANY FURTHER. I had been pondering the death of Albus Dumbledore....and had convinced myself, considering that Albus was the only headmaster to have been laid to rest AT HOGWARTS, and various other indications that all was completely different about his death, burial, etc., that most likely, he was NOT dead, afterall, but this was a ploy by Snape and those not affiliated with the true Death Eaters, and Voldemort, for all to think he'd died, in order for him to better be able to watch over Harry. Not so, according to a recent article by Jo Rowling. She is emphatic about the fact that Dumbledore is, truly, gone. He died, pure and simple, at the wand of Severus Snape in the 6th installment. Too bad, because Dumbledore was such an incredible central figure. However, as I think about the fact that all of the former headmasters, who's photos hang in the current Headmaster's office at Hogwarts, they seem to be able to STILL do quite a bit, even after their death, from their home in the photo, alone, yes? So....I wonder about this.... I'm also quite curious to know what Harry will find in Godrick's Hollow. Clues about Voldemort? Will Harry, himself, die in this final installment? And, like you wj7, I realize there are many, many Weasley children, and of course Arthur and Molly as well. Ginny and Harry, I feel positive, (if he lives) will marry and live happily everafter, just at Ron and Herminoe will, IF both Ron and Hermione survive Jo's pen. I'm a bit worried about that. It would be a devastating blow if any one of this trio dies, because, if you stop and think about it, Harry would have never, ever been able to solve as much, and get as far as he has without the expertise both Ron and Hermione have provided. Each of these three adds to the whole. And to me, that's what the entire series has been about. It's not the magic that has me all enthralled in the books. Think about this, though. In the first book, Harry was willing to get the Sorcerrer's Stone, but he couldn't have done it without Ron knowing as much as he did about the Wizarding World, and Hermione helping him work out the clues for all that surrounded the stone - protecting it. It was only through their working together that Harry was able to accomplish ANYTHING he's accomplished, so far - right through all 6 books, yes? Harry, Ron AND Hermione make up the team, and one, without the other, just can't do it. They've survived because they have been able to depend upon each other. They've counted on each other. They've each contributed to this triad and it's been quite successful because of that. It's the friendship that is the most important thing. It's the love they have for each other that has kept them all alive and able to scrape through their trials and tribulations. The story is so incredibly based on love and fellowship and working together to achieve what they need to achieve. I say, you go, Harry, Ron and Hermione. Can't wait for 7 to hit the book stands.... Next time, I'm going to tell you about my letter from JK Rowling..... So, UNTIL next time, I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Feb 5, 2007 23:52:38 GMT -5
Tim , Tim, Tim ... JK writes to you, too! My, you are one busy guy ;-)
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Feb 6, 2007 9:32:51 GMT -5
Good morning wj7 - YES, Jo and I have something in common. Any idea what that might be? It's funny - I USED to get heckled by my family members about "writing to" or "hoping to meet" some of these folk who just happen to be famous, but who are also just people with perhaps an incredible talent, or a story to tell beyond their career, like Karen and Rich, or Billy, Lex, etc. for example. REAL PEOPLE. I've so enjoyed the "meetings" I've had with some of these folk - and they have all been truly wonderful. Remember Tom Laughlin - who was BILLY JACK? Yup, him too. Tim PS - so, what's YOUR take on this upcoming adventure for Harry, et all?
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Post by wisejester7 on Feb 6, 2007 15:39:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the morning greeting, Tim! You made my heart lighter by just those simple words.
As for what you and Jo have in common ... well, that could be many things as you seem to have a great many interests. I know you love Carpenters, B. Joel, and many musicians. You love music so much it is a big part of your life. You are also a people person in that you extend yourself out to make contact with others. Apparently, you love a good yarn ala the HP series.
As far as where I think JK is going to take the HP group ... to tell the truth I need to ramp up on my HP before the next book is released. I usually reread the last book and sometimes I even reread the whole series. I'm not sure which way I'll do it this time.
I think discussing HP here would be fun and a great way to re-whet my memory.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Feb 6, 2007 16:07:38 GMT -5
Glad I could enhance your day! Thank you for the nice compliments - I wasn't looking for those, but appreciated reading them. I suggest you start at the beginning, and read ALL the books - they're such GREAT reads. That's how I'll do it, starting now, and I should be done with book 6 by July (I can only find so much time to leisure-read, you know) when book 7 comes out. Fun. As to what the two of us have in common - Jo's mother died as a result of complications from MS. She died before Jo got the opportunity to introduce her to Harry Potter (who changed her entire life). That broke my heart when I read that, and,understanding MS as I do - we made a definite connection. I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Feb 6, 2007 23:26:04 GMT -5
I suppose you're right ... it's always best to start at the beginning. I hope to start book 1 this week. Look out cobwebs - here comes a much needed dusting.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Feb 26, 2007 11:31:48 GMT -5
So, we know that Harry will be going to Goddrick's Hollow. Do we suspect anything else for sure that will happen? Do you think Ginny will be able to go? Do you think Hermione and Ron will quit school too, to go with Harry? Do you think Manerva McGonnagal will run the school successfully? Do you think Albus Dumbledore will be giving instructions from his photo on the wall? Will Harry be successful in finding the remaing horcruxes? And....do you think Harry will still be alive by the end of the book? Of course, I'm of the opinion that Harry, Ron and Hermione will, of course, be together throughout the book, working together, as always. The story, afterall, is more about friendship and the ability for three such different minds to so greatly work together to come up with the answers they need to solve the next puzzle. The magic is just a side story, really. At least, to me. One final question - will Ron and Hermione unite? I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Mar 1, 2007 8:31:24 GMT -5
So, we know that Harry will be going to Goddrick's Hollow. Do we suspect anything else for sure that will happen? Do you think Ginny will be able to go? Do you think Hermione and Ron will quit school too, to go with Harry? Do you think Manerva McGonnagal will run the school successfully? Do you think Albus Dumbledore will be giving instructions from his photo on the wall? Will Harry be successful in finding the remaing horcruxes? And....do you think Harry will still be alive by the end of the book? Of course, I'm of the opinion that Harry, Ron and Hermione will, of course, be together throughout the book, working together, as always. The story, afterall, is more about friendship and the ability for three such different minds to so greatly work together to come up with the answers they need to solve the next puzzle. The magic is just a side story, really. At least, to me. One final question - will Ron and Hermione unite? I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim Ah ... so many questions. And, of course, all will be revealed soon. I am still 'back reading' (Years 1-6), but I've been side tracked lately with C.E. and taxes/FAFSA stuff. Soon I'll be back in full swing in the world that JK has created.
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Post by wisejester7 on Mar 27, 2007 11:00:58 GMT -5
I ran across this link www.book7answers.com/indexB.html and thought it might add some fuel to the thoughts burning our brains concerning Harry Potter and company. Here is most of the article: Is Snape Good Or Bad? That’s the ultimate question, isn’t it? And there are good arguments on both sides. For instance… Snape is Good 1. Why did Snape protect Harry from Professor Quirrell (in Sorcerer’s Stone)? 2. Why didn’t Snape go to the graveyard immediately after being summoned by Voldemort (in Goblet of Fire)? 3. Why did Snape tell the Order of the Phoenix that Harry and his friends were in trouble at the Ministry (in Order of the Phoenix)? 4. Why did Snape agree to teach Harry Occumency? 5. Dumbledore trusts Snape. Could Dumbledore, the most powerful wizard of all time, be wrong? 6. Why does Snape spare Harry’s life at the end of Half-Blood Prince? 7. Bellatrix Lestrange, one of Voldemort’s most faithful servants, doesn’t trust him. 8. Snape prevented Quirrell from getting the Sorcerer’s Stone. Snape is Bad 1. Snape hates Harry. Is an old grudge against Harry’s father a good enough reason to hate Harry? Or is there something more? 2. Why was Snape so set on expelling Harry (in Chamber of Secrets)? 3. Why did Snape do such a lousy job teaching Harry Occumency? 4. The Malfoy’s trust Snape. Why did Snape make an Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa? 5. Sirius doesn’t trust Snape. 6. Dumbledore admits he’s made mistakes before. Could he be wrong about Snape? 7. Barty Crouch Junior, looking at Snape (on the Marauder’s Map) says that there are some spots that don’t come off. 8. And then there’s the biggest question of all: Why did Snape kill Dumbledore? Well, what if I told you that... Snape Is Good And I Can Prove It “Impossible!” you say? Not if you know where to look. Seeing is believing, right? Well, what if I gave you the link to the exact interview J.K.Rowling gave in 2006 where she admitted that Snape is good? Would that make a believer out of you? Of course it would, right? Well, what are you waiting for? Scroll down to the bottom of this page right now. Enter in your name and email address, and I’ll send you the link. But that’s not all. You’ll also get a Free chapter from my new book “The Restricted Section” where I let you in on all of J.K. Rowling’s most jealously guarded secrets. Including… * The secret reason everyone keeps telling Harry he’s got his mother’s eyes and why Harry won’t be able to find the remaining Horcruxes without them. * Who the permanent Defense Against the Dark Arts Teacher will be. * The secret reason Lilly Potter was given the choice to live, but James wasn’t. * What the Potters did for work and how they amassed their small fortune. * Whose side Peter Pettigrew is really on. * Who dies in Book 7. * What the 12 uses for Dragon’s Blood are. * How Mr. Ollivander and Florean Fortescue disappeared and what their fate is. * The secret code Alice Longbottom uses to pass information on to her son Neville. * How to permanently cure a werewolf (Since it’s been done before.) * The only chance Harry’s got to destroy Voldemort. Sorry, fans, but Harry isn’t powerful enough to defeat Voldemort on his own. * The Christian symbolism J.K. Rowling has carefully woven into the story. * Who the Heir of Gryffindor is. * Where Slytherin’s Locket is and who may have removed it from Grimmauld Place 12. * What the title for Book 7 is and what it means. * Who else was in love with Lilly Potter. If you thought James was the only one you’re in for a surprise. * Who else was in Godric’s Hollow on the night that Harry’s parents were murdered. * Will Percy Weasley ever apologize? * Who the mysterious R.A.B. is. Since J.K. Rowling already let this one slip. * What Dumbledore’s “look of triumph” meant. And why he looked so sad a few seconds later. * Where Abberforth Dumbledore is and why he was persecuted for performing illegal charms on goats. * The secret Mundungus Fletcher is guarding and why Harry can’t kill Voldemort without it. And I give you all the juicy relationship gossip, too. Ron and Hermione finally admitting they like each other is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Mar 27, 2007 11:58:10 GMT -5
Oh my my my, wj7! Some interesting questions - burning, I think you called them. Agreed. I know a couple of these answers, or suspect I do. Having not seen this website you've referred to, here are some speculations. I believe Snape was in love with Harry's mum - Lilly Potter. I believe this is why Snape has both hated and somewhat protected Harry all these years. His beef was really with James - and why would that be? Besides the fact that James tormented the dickens out of Snape, he also LOVED Lilly! Hm...... And, I gotta believe that Snape and Dumbledore planned Dumbledor's death together. Snape only did as Dumbledore asked him to - kill him. Dumbledore was too insistant on having "Severus" there. All too insistant. Now, R.A.B. I believe is Sirius' brother, Regulas A. Black. That's of course why the locket, that was not in the place where Harry and Dumbledore went to find this particular horcrux, was gone. Regulas took it, and hid it in the house - 12 Grimmold Place-which, by the way and as a reminder, is now HARRY'S House, as Sirius left it to him. According to the information you provided, however, someone steals it, though. Wonder who that might be? I'm also quite curious about the idea that people have been telling Harry that he has his mother's eyes, and that it might mean something totally different than he looks like her in the eyes....to think that it might mean he has the same "ability" with his eyes that she does, and knowing that has not yet been revealed will be pretty interesting reading. Also, I think it could well be Harry who ends up as the permanent Defense Against The Dark Arts Teacher - after all, h e's already done it, hasn't he? And, who might be the heir of Gryffindor? I'm anxious to know that one, but think it might be Neville Longbottom. Finally, I'm thinking Snape might have also been in Godric's Hollow the night that Lilly and James met their demise. What are your thoughts about all this? Interesting stuff.....now I'm really anxious for book 7~ I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim
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Post by wisejester7 on Mar 27, 2007 16:47:38 GMT -5
I'm still digesting the comment about Harry having his mother's eyes. They seemed to imply something I hadn't even thought about. There were so many questions brought to the fore. I'm going to need a while to think.
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Mar 27, 2007 19:20:40 GMT -5
I'm still digesting the comment about Harry having his mother's eyes. They seemed to imply something I hadn't even thought about. There were so many questions brought to the fore. I'm going to need a while to think. Understood....but hey, I did go to the website you provided the link to, and I was surprised, but I was right on a few counts. It WAS Snape that was also in love with Lilly, and Harry is the result of the love of JAMES and Lilly, which is one reason why Snape hates Harry so - moreso tyhe reminder that he did not "get" his prize Lilly. Some of the other answers I got correct, too. Check out the guys website after you've pondered this a bit....it's all pretty interesting. Nice find. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by wisejester7 on Mar 29, 2007 7:09:40 GMT -5
I have long thought that Snape had a thing for Lily. We know Lily would 'protect' Snape from the teasing from the guys (James and crew) when they got carried away. And I think the more attention Lily gave to Snape , the more Snape fell for her ... and the more James got jealous. Advance to adulthood: ... James and Lily marry/ Harry is born/ Snape gets somehow involved with Tom Riddle (and his nasty other persona) ... then ... the attack on the Potters and many others/James is toast ...Lily chooses to die ... Harry survives ...advance to Harry's first year (and every year thereafter): Snape and Harry (who looks and acts a great deal like James ... except for his Lily-like eyes) meet, resulting in instant adversarial confrontations. Harry's saving grace (to Snape) - his connection to Lily (bloodline, but the physical reminder when Snape looks into/at Harry's eyes. Hey T, and others, have you read this JK interview www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:tlcinterviews/jkrhbp1
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Mar 29, 2007 9:05:26 GMT -5
I have long thought that Snape had a thing for Lily. We know Lily would 'protect' Snape from the teasing from the guys (James and crew) when they got carried away. And I think the more attention Lily gave to Snape , the more Snape fell for her ... and the more James got jealous. Advance to adulthood: ... James and Lily marry/ Harry is born/ Snape gets somehow involved with Tom Riddle (and his nasty other persona) ... then ... the attack on the Potters and many others/James is toast ...Lily chooses to die ... Harry survives ...advance to Harry's first year (and every year thereafter): Snape and Harry (who looks and acts a great deal like James ... except for his Lily-like eyes) meet, resulting in instant adversarial confrontations. Harry's saving grace (to Snape) - his connection to Lily (bloodline, but the physical reminder when Snape looks into/at Harry's eyes. Hey T, and others, have you read this JK interview www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:tlcinterviews/jkrhbp1You just told me something without really meaning to. And, it makes good sense. One of the questions in your recent post about Good Snape Vs. Bad Snape had to do with Occlumancy and why Bad Snape didn't really try to teach Harry Occlumancy. Well...let's think about this.....WHAT would Snape have to do in order to teach Harry Occlumancy? LOOK INTO HIS EYES. Yes, and if those eyes consistently reminded Snape of Lily, then Voila! Of course he's not going to want to look into them and remember all of those good (and bad) memories. You're right in that, when Harry drifts off during exams and dreams of his father, Sirius and Lupin together, it IS Lily Potter who tells them not to torment Snape. He hears this (and how many times does this really happen that we don't know about? Repeatedly, I'm sure - over the years. So I feel certain the one reason Harry DIDN'T learn occlumancy as well as he chould have is because Severus couldn't continue to look him dead in the eye! Hmmmm....... The cover of book 7 was revealed yesterday morning on the Today Show. Did you happen to see it? It sports a cloak covered Voldemort - the first book with him anywhere on the cover - but the other interesting thing to me was how much Harry has morphed into Daniel Radcliffe! I always thought they did SO well in finding Daniel to play Harry in the movies, because there was a bit of a resemblence to the fellow they portrayed on the book covers. But this cover looks more like Daniel, in fact, than it does Harry. It's due out mid to late July. Can hardly wait. (We'd speculated she would put it out on 07/07/07, but I suppose that's NOT going to happen after all.). Right, then - I'm off to read the review from the link you so kindly provided. Thanks a million for that, wj7! I wish you all the best from here in my corner, Tim
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