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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 9, 2008 20:56:48 GMT -5
I have Sinatra's recording of this standard as well. Typical of this genre, his version is a straightforward ballad, backed up by a swing orchestra. In the Carpenters' more unusual arrangement, the closely-matched vocal parts in the a capella portion (as in "that field of corn would never see a plow...") add a barbershop harmony quality to the song. Check out how Sweet Revival (Sweet Adelines Quartet) changes the familiar carol Winter Wonderland likewise into a quartet with their embellishments (the second song in the medley): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLXgTVta8g . CG interesting thoughts here I like the way you say the diversity of Carpenters music appeals to equally diverse personalities I never thought of it that way but there really is something for everyone on Carpenters records I tend to like Karens dark emotional interpretations of songs I truely believe this is her greatest contribution to Carpenters music Richard can arrange and coach Karen and does this excellently but Karen puts the dark emotional part into the music this cannot be taught or coached its either there or it isn't its hard to find a song that another artist does that aptly describs this but when you mentioned the different styles connecting to different personalities you got me thinking about this connection and it make complete sense to me. Nice thought provoking post CG!
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 9, 2008 21:03:09 GMT -5
Boy, I'm getting ready, I'm afraid, to show my age on this post. CG, please don't take what I'm about to post personally - you are young, and I'm sure something like Chanel's "My Life" is a great dance tune. However....wow, I couldn't make it through the entire 7 minutes of it.....it was all I could do to get 3/4 of the way. To me, this isn't what I classify as "music" (see, teeHee - here's where the old man speaketh).... it's the same thing, over and over and over, and over again - for 7 minutes and 20 seconds or whatever. The vocoder used for the vocals is just that much more irritating for me! I know this really IS music, but it's nothing I would care to listen to more than what I've already done - I tried.... The video didn't bother me, although, it's not really to my taste, either. I didn't see anything particularly vulgar or suggestive about it, but it's just not my cuppa, as they say. Now, my son and daughter probably would really like it, I might imagine. Hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings by sharing my opinion. Thanks for the topic, CG - quite interesting, indeed. Hey Tim, don't worry! Did not feel offended or anything.. If anything, it was nice that you said "you're young"! I like to hear that, just a few days before my 26 birthday..;-) All jesting aside, I do understand you. There are musical genres that I just can't stand, too. Something like Hard Rock / Heavy Metal etc. for instance.. I'm really into pretty much all kinds of electronic music, with the exception of the (too) hard techno beats, but I think it's a musical genre that lives in a special context. "My life" for example makes me think of Friday/Saturday nights getting ready to go to a club and dancing to it later in the club etc., so it's just about having a good time. To you it sounds as the same over and over again, but I feel an step-by-step (little steps, I admit) intensification in the song and when it reaches climax it's just a great feeling.. But in the end it's just a matter of taste (has not much to do with the age of a person, I think. A lot of my friends don't like this kind of music either) and there is no accounting for taste resp. chacun a son gout.. So, thanks for sharing your thoughts, Tim. Anyhow, I'd like to no what kind of non-C.'s music makes you think of the C.'s.
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 9, 2008 21:09:06 GMT -5
Ah Rick, of course you know the Smiths, you just know them all. It's simply amazing!! Just listened to the Cousteau Song again and I can understand what you said about Liam's and Karen's voice..
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Post by GoodOldDreams on Apr 9, 2008 21:57:58 GMT -5
Hi CG, The Carpenters did a wonderful barbershop quartet-style rendition of "Without a Song" when they sang the first half of the song a cappella: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJcrfqvlqi4 . Wikipedia gives a nice characterization of this genre of music, especially the part about siblings: "[orange]A barbershop quartet is an ensemble of four people who sing a cappella in the exacting barbershop music genre. While the form is accessible to nearly anyone who can carry their part, the best quartets are formed of singers with a very uniform sound, particularly for vowels. With few exceptions, quartets are all-male or all-female in order to better match voices.[/orange] Often siblings are naturally well-matched, as they grow up using the same accent. [orange]In other cases, disciplined practice over time yields consistent use of the same vowels. In North America most male barbershop quartet singers belong to the Barbershop Harmony Society, while most female barbershop quartet singers are in either Sweet Adelines International or Harmony, Inc. Similar organizations have sprung up in many other countries. Most barbershop quartet singers also choose to sing in a barbershop chorus.[/orange]" CG, you may be interested to know that the American group Modern Barbershop Quartet did an excellent recording of "We've Only Just Begun" in this style some years ago, but is now probably long out of print. On the UK talent show "The X-Factor," a six-member group called the Unconventionals performed "Top of the World" very loosely in this fashion: www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cDWmQdUUg . In terms of choirs with the standard 4-part soprano-alto-tenor-bass harmonies with musical accompaniment, I have heard "We've Only Just Begun" and "Bless the Beasts and Children" performed in this style, but I would not consider them to be part of the standard repertoire of American choirs. Ed Wow! Thank you so much for the information, Ed! You seem to know a lot about that. Do you sing in a chorus yourself? I'd love to hear a "choral" performance of "We've only just begun" or "Bless the Beasts and Children"!! As I mentioned before, "Crescent Noon" could be great, too. Thank you for the X-Factor link! On one show of the German "American Idol" pendant, they had to sing "Close to you".. If I find it somewhere on the Internet, I'll post the link here.. Hi CG, You're welcome! I have sung in a few choral groups before, typically with 4-parts for soprano, alto, tenor and bass, or just two parts for tenor and bass. The closest I have ever done in the style of what might be considered barbershop harmony (with parts for the lead, tenor, bass and baritone) was a version of the American Civil War era folk song "Aura Lee." While the U.S. has "American Idol" and the U.K. has "The X Factor," what would be the German equivalent of these shows? Do you have any favorites among the contestants?
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 10, 2008 16:50:23 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D Interestingly, CG, I haven't thought about this in a way that I could put down on paper, until your post. And, thanks for knowing that my earlier post was all just opinion on my part. I do understand completely what you're saying about the "build" and how it comes to a climactic ending, etc.....makes sense. I have a son who used to be in a band...now he records them. But Jonathan (my son) made his own album entitled The Phantasm Project.....Jon WAS the Phantasm Project, actually. He'd written an album's worth of songs basically over a lost love, I think....and the bitterness that he felt about the situation - this is how he got his feelings out. He used my laptop, and Cool Edit Pro software, and recorded every instrument, and all the vocals, save one female vocal part, I believe. It took him a year, and he did it all typically right here at home - using both my pianos as he liked the sound of the acoustic vs. the baby grand, and he used both my keyboards, as well - he played guitar, and he did all the percussion - traps, and otherwise. I think he had 1,000 CD's done - I think I still have 500 of them. Leo (Prisoner_Walking) has one, as well....my reaction to this was - it's not my cuppa, either, but when it's your son making the music, you listen....and I did - ONCE. Oh yes, I have my copy - but I've only listened to it one time. So..thanks for letting me share my opinion of Chanel. Sorry, I digressed - what other music makes me think of Carpenters? Well....I suppose, truth be told, Diana Krall's music makes me think of Karen - because I wish Karen had done more jazz than she did. I know she could do it well. For example, I don't know if Karen could scat ... bet she could, though, and probably very well. (for those of you who don't know, scatting is a form of singing, but without words - it is typically thought of as imitating an instrument, like a trumpet or saxophone while singing jazz-oriented tunes - a way for the vocalist to "take a chorus" as we say). I have not thought about the why until just now, that Krall reminds me of Carpenters, but I suppose it's the approach, and it could very well be that Diana has quite a deep voice.....I'm not intimating whatsoever that she SOUNDS like Karen - she does NOT. However, that voice - I've described it as a sultry, vampy but soft voice. Just the way she sings somehow does remind me of Karen. What a thought provoking topic, CG. Thank you. And Dreams - I, too, have likened WITHOUT A SONG to the manner in which a Barbershop Quartet would sing - at least the bits and pieces where they're all together. I think only because it's accapella. It doesn't really sound like what I'm used to Barbershop harmonies sounding like. The Osmonds have often sung in the Barbershop style, and I love to hear those harmonies. And of course, since they ARE family members, it does tend to sound so great because they all sound one like another. Rick - I couldn't begin to keep up with all of your musical interests, and I have not heard most of what you've conversed about here. As you know quite well, I'm more into jazz, Billy, and things like movie soundtracks - I'm so enjoying the Steven Sodheim songs from Sweeney Todd currently - I love harmony like Carpenters did - and Osmonds do that well - I enjoyed very much N'SYNC and THEY, too, reminded me of Carpenters, come to think of it - AS DID Backstreet Boys. Call me silly - but I thoroughly enjoyed some of the music of both of those groups. And, as they progressed, they seemed to get better and better. It definitely takes some talent to not only sing the types of close harmonies they did - but to be able to dance like they could WHILE SINGING. Wow, I'm surprised I've made as many connections as I have, here. I didn't anticipate making more than one, actually - but the more I wrote, the more I could recall that these other groups did, in fact, in one way or another, from time to time, remind me of Carpenters. Just like the Sweet A's would do, Beaner. Yes, we have a Sweet A's group here in Springfield, and they rock! I can only imagine how wonderful they sounded at M's funeral. Nice, and thanks for sharing that. E! Always good to hear from you - I, like you, do very much love those dark, brooding songs that Karen seemed to rip right out of her soul, and put in a melody......like ONLY she could. ;D ;D ;D Tim, thanks for the info about your son Jonathan. It seems to run in the family.. I absolutely agree on what you said about the jazzy side of the Carpenters/Karen. As much as I love the "typical" ,or what is supposed to be the typical Carpenters sound at least, I'd love to hear more jazz songs from Karen! I think it's really an interesting idea if Karen could scat. I bet she could, too. Maybe I'm wrong but I remember her ending a song kind of scat-singing.. Could be that the wish was father to the thought but maybe one of you knows what I'm thinking of.. And funny that you mentioned the "singing while dancing". I saw both live shows of Justin Timberlake (Justified + Futuresex/Lovesounds) and Christina Aguilera's "Back to Basic"-Show, and aside from the fact that all three shows were really perfect entertainment, I was amazed by how they could sing while the where dancing almost non-stop, especially Justin..
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 10, 2008 17:17:00 GMT -5
Wow! Thank you so much for the information, Ed! You seem to know a lot about that. Do you sing in a chorus yourself? I'd love to hear a "choral" performance of "We've only just begun" or "Bless the Beasts and Children"!! As I mentioned before, "Crescent Noon" could be great, too. Thank you for the X-Factor link! On one show of the German "American Idol" pendant, they had to sing "Close to you".. If I find it somewhere on the Internet, I'll post the link here.. Hi CG, You're welcome! I have sung in a few choral groups before, typically with 4-parts for soprano, alto, tenor and bass, or just two parts for tenor and bass. The closest I have ever done in the style of what might be considered barbershop harmony (with parts for the lead, tenor, bass and baritone) was a version of the American Civil War era folk song "Aura Lee." While the U.S. has "American Idol" and the U.K. has "The X Factor," what would be the German equivalent of these shows? Do you have any favorites among the contestants? The German equivalent is called "Deutschland sucht den Superstar". I think I don't have to translate it for you Dreams, but for the rest of you: it means something like "Germany is searching for the superstar". The level of the current season is pretty low actually, but I think Juliette Schoppmann one contestant of an earlier season was quite talented: Big Spender www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVGtGyOSXGEI also like the winner of another (smaller) German casting show, Stefanie Heinzmann. Less star appeal maybe, but quite talented, too: Only so much oil www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWI-PHM600But in general, I think the level and the potential seems to be higher in the American versions. Over here it's a lot about the looks and the appeal of the contestants, the voice seems to be of less importance sometimes..
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 10, 2008 17:29:52 GMT -5
Hey Tim, don't worry! Did not feel offended or anything.. If anything, it was nice that you said "you're young"! I like to hear that, just a few days before my 26 birthday..;-) All jesting aside, I do understand you. There are musical genres that I just can't stand, too. Something like Hard Rock / Heavy Metal etc. for instance.. I'm really into pretty much all kinds of electronic music, with the exception of the (too) hard techno beats, but I think it's a musical genre that lives in a special context. "My life" for example makes me think of Friday/Saturday nights getting ready to go to a club and dancing to it later in the club etc., so it's just about having a good time. To you it sounds as the same over and over again, but I feel an step-by-step (little steps, I admit) intensification in the song and when it reaches climax it's just a great feeling.. But in the end it's just a matter of taste (has not much to do with the age of a person, I think. A lot of my friends don't like this kind of music either) and there is no accounting for taste resp. chacun a son gout.. So, thanks for sharing your thoughts, Tim. Anyhow, I'd like to no what kind of non-C.'s music makes you think of the C.'s. Hey Rick, I knew this idiom with the Rhino Skin, in Germany we just say Elephant Skin instead of Rhino Skin But you're right, when it comes to music I'm really open minded and you can say I have a Rhino/Elephant anyhow a thick skin. I love to discuss and speak about music and get to know other opinions and views on things. As long as you respect each other I do believe that there is no accounting for taste. But there are other things in life where I stand pat and where it's hard for me to accept or at least deal with different opinions..
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 10, 2008 21:29:12 GMT -5
Too many comments here that I want to comment on so I won't quote them... just address my thoughts to the particular person... Tim... Yes, Diana Krall is one who has always made me think of Karen (and not in voice) but in a style of music I wish Karen would have pursued. I feel that had she lived she would have gone in that direction as a good amount of her solo album had jazz influenced leanings... A few songs by Carpenters and Karen Carpenter which have those jazz leanings... There's enough songs to make a great Carpenters/Karen Carpenter jazz compilation... Caravan Iced Tea All I Can Do Mr. Guder Another Song A Song For You Flat Baroque This Masquerade I Can Dream Can't I Goofus B'wana She No Home What Are You Doin' New year's Eve? Strength Of A Woman (with some R&B and country music influences) Ordinary Fool If I Had You (Karen solo) If We Try (Karen solo) Remember Whem Lovin' Took All Night (disco w/ jazz & funk chords and rhythms) (Karen solo) Guess I Just Lost My Head (Karen solo) Still Crazy After All These Years (Karen solo) Last One Singin' The Blues (Karen solo) I've Got Rhythm Karen/Ella Medley Midnight (Karen solo - unreleased) Something's Missing (Karen solo - unreleased) Dreams...Although I do not own any Barbershop Quartet recordings I do enjoy the genre. I suspect Karen and Richard would have done this quite well with just their two voices dubbed to create the right effect. Just love that dubbed vocal effect that Carpenters did so very well. I sang in a Gospel choir from 1994 until around 1997... I learned quite a bit about harmonizing and projecting my voice outward. CG... Don't ever give up that Elephant skin... you'll see that in life this will be an attribute... just don't forget the compassionate side also... but always wear that tough skin... that is what will keep you floating in many situations. I'm the same about music... although as passionate as I am about music sometimes I think that people should understand and see (or hear) what it is I hear in a aprticular song or artist... but I know that this is impossible as we are all different in views and tastes. Like you I have other areas in which I am very one minded... but those are very few... for the most part I am quite open minded and very flexible when it comes to accepting and thriving on change and new ideas and views.
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Post by GoodOldDreams on Apr 11, 2008 13:10:39 GMT -5
Hi CG, You're welcome! I have sung in a few choral groups before, typically with 4-parts for soprano, alto, tenor and bass, or just two parts for tenor and bass. The closest I have ever done in the style of what might be considered barbershop harmony (with parts for the lead, tenor, bass and baritone) was a version of the American Civil War era folk song "Aura Lee." While the U.S. has "American Idol" and the U.K. has "The X Factor," what would be the German equivalent of these shows? Do you have any favorites among the contestants? The German equivalent is called "Deutschland sucht den Superstar". I think I don't have to translate it for you Dreams, but for the rest of you: it means something like "Germany is searching for the superstar". The level of the current season is pretty low actually, but I think Juliette Schoppmann one contestant of an earlier season was quite talented: Big Spender www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVGtGyOSXGEI also like the winner of another (smaller) German casting show, Stefanie Heinzmann. Less star appeal maybe, but quite talented, too: Only so much oil www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWI-PHM600But in general, I think the level and the potential seems to be higher in the American versions. Over here it's a lot about the looks and the appeal of the contestants, the voice seems to be of less importance sometimes.. The level and the potential might seem to be higher in the American versions perhaps due to the larger population to choose from in the first place. Unfortunately, American Idol contestants are often judged by their appearances as well: direct and veiled comments are frequently being made about their cuteness/nerdiness/scuzziness, clothing and weight. Granted, that is part of their public image, but, like you, I think the voice seems to be of less importance sometimes to the judges and the voting audience.
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 11, 2008 16:50:19 GMT -5
The German equivalent is called "Deutschland sucht den Superstar". I think I don't have to translate it for you Dreams, but for the rest of you: it means something like "Germany is searching for the superstar". The level of the current season is pretty low actually, but I think Juliette Schoppmann one contestant of an earlier season was quite talented: Big Spender www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVGtGyOSXGEI also like the winner of another (smaller) German casting show, Stefanie Heinzmann. Less star appeal maybe, but quite talented, too: Only so much oil www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAWI-PHM600But in general, I think the level and the potential seems to be higher in the American versions. Over here it's a lot about the looks and the appeal of the contestants, the voice seems to be of less importance sometimes.. The level and the potential might seem to be higher in the American versions perhaps due to the larger population to choose from in the first place. Unfortunately, American Idol contestants are often judged by their appearances as well: direct and veiled comments are frequently being made about their cuteness/nerdiness/scuzziness, clothing and weight. Granted, that is part of their public image, but, like you, I think the voice seems to be of less importance sometimes to the judges and the voting audience. Hey Dreams, interesting that noticed the same thing (concerning the contestants looks etc.) on American Idol. One reason for the higher level could definitely be the larger population, but I think there might be another one. In my estimation, there seem to be a lot more young people, children even, who aim to become a part of the showbiz and work hard for this aim in the U.S., whereby in Germany the showbiz is still seen as something kind of dingy. Parents mostly (can't generalise it of course) don't want their kids to be part of it and would not encourage such ambitions. It seems to me that it is different in the U.S. but please correct me if I'm wrong!
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Post by carpentersgermany on Apr 11, 2008 17:41:03 GMT -5
Rick, your words (once again) made me reflect a little.. I think it's truly important what you said about not forgetting the compassionate side also.. A tough skin shouldn't be based on an "I don't care about the others and their feelings/opinions, so their statements can't touch me"-attitude. On the contrary, it should be based on the respect for others and their feelings/opinions. For the most parts (like politics, religion, world views etc.) I'm not a "radical" person, but there are a few things, really basic things that make out something like my philosophy of life and I will stand up for them in any discussion.. But please don't get me wrong! I don't want to sound like a do-gooder. It's just how I want to be but of course sometimes it just not succeeds. You have to work on it everyday. Sometimes it's easy sometimes it's hard.. And believe me I can be pretty fond of arguing sometimes.. ;-)
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 11, 2008 21:02:52 GMT -5
Rick, your words (once again) made me reflect a little.. I think it's truly important what you said about not forgetting the compassionate side also.. A tough skin shouldn't be based on an "I don't care about the others and their feelings/opinions, so their statements can't touch me"-attitude. On the contrary, it should be based on the respect for others and their feelings/opinions. For the most parts (like politics, religion, world views etc.) I'm not a "radical" person, but there are a few things, really basic things that make out something like my philosophy of life and I will stand up for them in any discussion.. But please don't get me wrong! I don't want to sound like a do-gooder. It's just how I want to be but of course sometimes it just not succeeds. You have to work on it everyday. Sometimes it's easy sometimes it's hard.. And believe me I can be pretty fond of arguing sometimes.. ;-)
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Post by carpentersgermany on May 3, 2008 17:44:50 GMT -5
"I Go To sleep" by the Pretenders has always made me think of Karen, because I've always thought she could do a fabulous recording of this song... When I look up from my pillow I dream you are there with me Though you are far away I know youll always be near to me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me I look around me And feel you are ever so close to me Each tear that flows from my eye Brings back memories of you to me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me I was wrong, I will cry I will love you till the day I die You were all, you alone and no one else You were meant for me When morning comes again I have the loneliness you left me Each day drags by Until finally my time descends on me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me I go to sleep, sleep And imagine that you're there with me [/center][/quote] Rick, I have to say I did not know the songs you named, but enjoyed all of them, especially Jack Browne's "That girl could sing".. And I love the winds in the Pretenders Song! I agree, the yearning appeal of the song would be perfect for Karen! [/quote] Rick, since then "That girl could sing" and "I go to sleep" have become some of my current favourites. They're part of my personal mixed playlists. Just wanted to thank you for introducing me to those songs! By chance I heard an elder version of the song "I go to sleep" (from the 60s) that is a Remix of the Ray Davies-song a few days ago. The Pretenders version refers more to that Remix than to the Original. I thought it might be interesting for you: Marion - I go to sleep de.youtube.com/watch?v=k9WPWqdkMR0For me it was really surprising because I just know Marion as a cheesy Schlager singer that she became in the 70s. I never expected to hear such a great song from her..
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Post by carpentersgermany on May 27, 2008 18:25:19 GMT -5
[/center][/quote] Rick, actually I can't believe that I never heard of Freezepop before! I think they're really really cool! My favourites are "Here comes a very special boy" and "I am not your Gameboy"! There's a German band called Stereo Total. One of my favourite German bands. I see a lot of similarities between Freezepop and Stereo Total. Stereo Total - Liebe zu Dritt (Love in a threesome) de.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3O08RieWwQStereo Total - Wir tanzen im Viereck (We're dancing in the square) de.youtube.com/watch?v=I03VBilncwIStereo Total - Ich bin nackt (I am naked) de.youtube.com/watch?v=KkviZFys2HU(With English translation on YouTube) Great music, spaced out lyrics and amazing clips!!!! Another (German) band that I thought of listening to Freezepop was Chicks On Speed. My personal favourites: Chicks On Speed - Kaltes Klares Wasser (Cold Clear Water) de.youtube.com/watch?v=uP7G3X8ZDzE(Since some of the band members are from the U.S. they are pronouncing the German words with an American accent) Chicks On Speed - Glamour Girl de.youtube.com/watch?v=FLJCLD3X-PM
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Post by Rick Henry on May 27, 2008 21:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by carpentersgermany on May 29, 2008 16:30:59 GMT -5
I think especially Stereo Total are super! But I'm not sure how important it is to really understand the lyrics in this case.. Talking a lot about accents during the last days: when parts of the Chicks on Speed songs are done in German with an American accent, the singer of Stereo Total sings in German with a French accent..
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Post by ps11932 on May 29, 2008 17:24:32 GMT -5
Hello! I have just now enjoyed reading this entire thread for the first time in its totality and as always there is much to learn from the knowledgeable insights and reflections here, especially on music but other topics as well. I was especially intrigued by the list of Carpenter songs that were of a jazz venue or influence; quite a wide variety, showing just how broad and diverse a spectrum jazz is. I have always thought the wide variety of styles of musics presented by the Carpenters was one of the major attractions of the group. (If ever time allows I would like to undertake for muself, a comprehensive comparative list of all the C's songs in my collection, noting a variety of categories .)
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Post by Rick Henry on May 29, 2008 21:18:32 GMT -5
Hello! I have just now enjoyed reading this entire thread for the first time in its totality and as always there is much to learn from the knowledgeable insights and reflections here, especially on music but other topics as well. I was especially intrigued by the list of Carpenter songs that were of a jazz venue or influence; quite a wide variety, showing just how broad and diverse a spectrum jazz is. I have always thought the wide variety of styles of musics presented by the Carpenters was one of the major attractions of the group. (If ever time allows I would like to undertake for muself, a comprehensive comparative list of all the C's songs in my collection, noting a variety of categories .) Yes, there is a good amount of Carpenters songs with that jazz influence with a good amount of them being from Karen's solo works. Pretty much every album they recorded had at least one or more jazz-influenced albums. You are also correct in that Carpenters recorded varying styles just with in the jazz genre. They didn't stay with in one style, with in their entire career they gave us a well rounded taste of the different forms of jazz music. Their jazz stylings ranged from the more experimental jazz fusion sounds such as "All I Can Do" and "another song" to the smooth jazz sounds of "This Masquerade" and "Ordinary Fool" and further along to the jazz-funk styles of Karen's solo works as "Guess I Just Lost My Head" and "If I Had You". Here's the list again with an added song... Caravan Iced Tea All I Can Do Mr. Guder Another Song A Song For You Flat Baroque This Masquerade I Can Dream Can't I Goofus B'wana She No Home What Are You Doin' New year's Eve? Strength Of A Woman (with some R&B and country music influences) Ordinary Fool If I Had You (Karen solo) If We Try (Karen solo) Remember When Lovin' Took All Night (disco w/ jazz & funk chords and rhythms) (Karen solo) Guess I Just Lost My Head (Karen solo) Still Crazy After All These Years (Karen solo) Last One Singin' The Blues (Karen solo) I've Got Rhythm Dizzy Fingers Karen/Ella Medley Midnight (Karen solo - unreleased) Something's Missing (Karen solo - unreleased)
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