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Post by smoothie2 on Dec 16, 2007 15:38:05 GMT -5
  I know this line of thought
has had it's own thread before, but thought I'd mention it anyway....
Once again, a "slur" against R. and K.....
Recently, I visited my nephew and my sis quite some ways away from here.
We all were sitting in front of this huge tv for Thanksg......and watching some of the tv show "Survivor..in China"......One of the competitors on the show looks to have anorexia to me.....anyway, I didn't say anything
nor really "into" the show that much anyway.
I'm not sure what was said by whom, but I think my sis
made a comment.... (some commercial, or what ...anyway, some celebrity was shown that has long ago been gone.
SIS says...." ok, we all know he's been dead a long time...just like
we know KAREN CARP. HAS LONG BEEN DEAD!....."
Well, she does this every now and then I think to get some kind of reaction from me......
Now folks, yes, I could have smarted off just as well....but really there was no need. I just kept watching the tv and kinda smiled a bit (not gonna let her get to me)....I said yes, sadly enough she's long been gone.... now wasn't that something! She Loves to Get to Me...ooh wish I coulda said.....so much more now....!
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Post by beaner on Dec 17, 2007 6:06:17 GMT -5
I know I tend to feel slighted too when something negative or derrogatory is said about Karen or the Carpenters for that matter. Friends and family know that when you hear the Carpenters, my name is mentioned soon after. Always was that way and I supposed always will be that way and I'm proud of it!
Beaner
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Post by wisejester7 on Dec 17, 2007 9:14:11 GMT -5
It's true that comments like that can sting, but there is really nothing we can do about the fact that Karen died the way she did. There is a lesson to be learned, but I wish others would not just concentrate on the negative aspects.
Karen, to me, is always a positive! How can you not smile when you hear her voice or think of all the crazy antics and goofy pictures that involve Karen?!
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 17, 2007 9:23:29 GMT -5
It's true that comments like that can sting, but there is really nothing we can do about the fact that Karen died the way she did. There is a lesson to be learned, but I wish others would not just concentrate on the negative aspects. Karen, to me, is always a positive! How can you not smile when you hear her voice or think of all the crazy antics and goofy pictures that involve Karen?! I feel exactly the same way. It is a fact that Karen Carpenter did die (a sad fact) and I don't see it as a slur if someone mentions that she died. Like you WJ7 I always see Karen Carpenter as a positive. And if someone does say something negative toward her or Carpenters it does not bother me one bit... why should it. But I do come back sometimes with comments like did you know she's considered to be one of the finest vocalists to ever live (some even say she is the greatest singer ever) or I'll comment on the 150 million records her voice has sold. Usually they'll come back with saying something like, "yeah she was really good".  |
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Post by wisejester7 on Dec 17, 2007 9:29:22 GMT -5
It's true that comments like that can sting, but there is really nothing we can do about the fact that Karen died the way she did. There is a lesson to be learned, but I wish others would not just concentrate on the negative aspects. Karen, to me, is always a positive! How can you not smile when you hear her voice or think of all the crazy antics and goofy pictures that involve Karen?! I feel exactly the same way. It is a fact that Karen Carpenter did die (a sad fact) and I don't see it as a slur if someone mentions that she died. Like you WJ7 I always see Karen Carpenter as a positive. And if someone does say something negative toward her or Carpenters it does not bother me one bit... why should it. But I do come back sometimes with comments like did you know she's considered to be one of the finest vocalists to ever live (some even say she is the greatest singer ever) or I'll comment on the 150 million records her voice has sold. Usually they'll come back with saying something like, "yeah she was really good". True. When you present people with some of the actual facts of the Carpenters career, they almost always concede that Karen was a great singer and that Carpenters music is really good. |
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Post by beaner on Dec 17, 2007 11:59:52 GMT -5
Good way to handle it when negative comments come your way.
However, I still take it badly when negative comments are said. Your answer to that, Rick, was "it doesn't bother me; why should it"? You have your own feelings of course, but for me, it does bother me and why? Because....
I felt as though I lost a family member. You can darn well bet it would bother me if someone said negative things about my Mom who died that same year. Very similar for me.
Just expanding on why I'm bothered by it.
Have a good day everyone!
Mary Ann
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Post by lucky77 on Dec 17, 2007 19:49:18 GMT -5
I hate when anyone slams them let alone when the stupid sitcoms or movies have nasty stuff to say they better watch it cause I hope one day it comes back to all the Carpenters bashers and hard. Sorry but it also really bothers me.
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Post by sunnybunny on Dec 17, 2007 20:16:53 GMT -5
I agree.One day I was watching Yearbook on Discovery Times.Well they were doing 1983 and they were talking about when Karen Carpenter died.Everyone else said things like 'It was so sad' or 'I couldn't believe it.Karen Carpenter died' and then they get around to Micheal Ian Black and he says 'I don't get it.How can someone with so much money starve themselves?They got enough money to buy food.Why would they starve themselves?'.I thought that was so rude.Then I was looking in Yahoo Images and I found a picture that someone drew of Karen Carpenter holding her coat open and there is a skeleton.That also made me so mad.I guess people think just because she is dead they make all the jokes they want to about her.
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 17, 2007 22:32:58 GMT -5
I agree.One day I was watching Yearbook on Discovery Times.Well they were doing 1983 and they were talking about when Karen Carpenter died.Everyone else said things like 'It was so sad' or 'I couldn't believe it.Karen Carpenter died' and then they get around to Micheal Ian Black and he says 'I don't get it.How can someone with so much money starve themselves?They got enough money to buy food.Why would they starve themselves?'.I thought that was so rude.Then I was looking in Yahoo Images and I found a picture that someone drew of Karen Carpenter holding her coat open and there is a skeleton.That also made me so mad.I guess people think just because she is dead they make all the jokes they want to about her. I agree that is just plain rude and insensitive and it's a shame some people can't see the deeper root of how troubled someone with any sort of disease is. I don't think it's right that people make fun of others. Though as far as myself getting upset over petty things like name calling and other people's insensitivities I just don't... why waste my time getting upset over things like that... especially when I know better. Even if someone were to say something negative about one of my own family members... yes, it would bother me... but it would roll right off of me just as quick... Why? Well because I know my family and I know that I simply love and respect them... I guess the children's nursery rhyme always stuck with me..."sticks and stones may break my bones... but words can never hurt me..." there's some good philosophy in that simple but truthful saying. |
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Post by smoothie2 on Dec 18, 2007 1:12:37 GMT -5
I can truly see both sides of the fence on this..and I'm glad you can handle such comments Rick .... and I admire folks who can see things most of the time in a positive light. But certainly the skeletal thing is awful and very wrong. I admit that seeing life in a positive light is something I have to work at from time to time. Until recently, I didn't even realize that things that I say just in general conversation tend to be negative. Mom brought comments that I do this kind of thing, but she admits she tends to be the same way. In any case, I realize that when it comes to the Carps., I'm totally much more of a fan of them than my family or others are. But, I do know none of these folks are totally against them. As was mentioned, my lands, such talent and such beauty as their songs bring and all the wonderful legacy we have..... well, there's no argument there..... I just happen to be much more Blessed by such a legacy and understanding than the "naysayers"!
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Post by beaner on Dec 18, 2007 6:31:10 GMT -5
Exactly, Smoothie! While it does bother me and I do take offense (other have never held a grudge against anyone; that is plain silly), 9 times out of 10 these people do know and see the good in the person they are talking about, just choose to share the negative as opposed to the good. Mentioning the positive side to the situation, as Rick does, is one of the best things you can do.
I know that in my job for instance, me and another co-worker share our feelings of how we are never appreciated for what we do and we generally hold the office together. In a similar, yet difference situation, there can be a time when the boss just gives us yet another task on top of stuff that we are swamped with and doesn't give a care about it.
While our bosses can say a LOT of positive things about us, they choose not to, but when confronted about it they can't help but admit there is a lot more good than we are given credit for.
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Post by wisejester7 on Dec 18, 2007 6:34:52 GMT -5
It is painful when someone says hurtful things about others.
In the case of Karen Carpenter, what purpose does it serve?
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2007 8:28:21 GMT -5
I completely understand slams on the Carpenters and especially Karen getting people upset as some of you know I am guilty of being overly protective of Karen as well. I mainly would and do speak up for Karen when someone is slamming her because she can't defend herself at this point so I kind of speak up for her. I feel a little indebted to Karen because I feel she has given me so much as far as music personality etc that I can at least defend her when she is attacked no I don't try to change peoples opinions and I do let alot slide but I have a personal relationship with Karens music so I do feel that I have to speak up when people cross the line or are ignorant. I agree with Rick that these comments are not worth my time but I also try to at least educate people of the facts when they make uninformed ignorant comments. Thats the E story!   |
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 18, 2007 10:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2007 13:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by trekker1 on Dec 18, 2007 21:21:42 GMT -5
Hi, Beaner. I empathize with your situation @ work. I've had the same thing happen. And, I agree also with educating people @ Karen/Anorexia. I knew 2 anorexics in my younger days & think of them often and hope they are alive, well & happy. And if anyone slams R & K, I simply remind them that they were the top-selling group of the 70's and garnered so many gold & platinum albums, what ammunition can they possibly have to justify their negativity. Then, I simply walk away from them. I try not to waste too much energy on ignorant people.
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Post by Rick Henry on Dec 18, 2007 22:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by beaner on Dec 19, 2007 13:52:11 GMT -5
Guess I'll ease up on the subject now. All I can say is that for me personally, I may not have been here talking with you fine folks if I didn't have the Carpenters music in my life about 25 years ago. I truly think my love for the Carpenters and their music may very well have saved MY life.
There....I'm done. On to a happier topic like the Christmas thread.
Seriously folks, hope I didn't irk anyone with my opinions on this matter so strong. You all are great and I'm so glad to be a part of this forum family.
Beaner
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