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Post by cam83 on Apr 20, 2005 18:59:29 GMT -5
Hi All, I am sitting her listening to SAILING ON THE TIDE. I love Karen's warm, breezy, slightly sassy vocals. I love how she emphasizes the word sunSHINE...the background harmonies add a pleasantness...a hint of new things to come. It would have been better on the MADE IN AMERICA than Beechwood 4-5789 which was kind of...well, album filler. It didn't have the strength of POSTMAN...anyhow...love this track SAILING ON THE TIDE. Reminds me so much of 1976's BOAT TO SAIL...the 1976 Karen wanting to go away for a Boat to Sail...and now in 1981...she wants to go to her beautiful island in the sun...in SAILING ON THE TIDE...a song that complements each other... My thoughts, Cameron  |
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Post by BethMosior on Apr 21, 2005 0:52:15 GMT -5
when I hear this song I want to go sailing, makes me feel relaxed like I'm on a holiday  taking a trip $% really going any where but where I am %* |
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Post by enigma on Apr 21, 2005 18:57:50 GMT -5
I have to say I love this song. Its one of if not my favorite off the VOTH album. I love the ocean immagry, the upbeat lyrics and tempo of this song. I especially like Tony Peluso"s guitar playing on this track. This is another pick me up song that I am so glad finally got released. Just a great song to me!
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 21, 2005 20:56:42 GMT -5
 I have to say I do like this song quite a bit. Although it does come second in my mind to the other song about the sea "Boat to Sail". I especially like this song because it was written by my favorite Carpenters band member Tony Peluso of which he adds his subtle but tasty guitar licks on this song. This song rounds out my 3 favorites from VOTH. I can't remember but wasn't the song recorded sometime in the mid - late 70's? 
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Post by Carps1000 on Apr 22, 2005 9:12:59 GMT -5
1978. Hey Rick When U Gonna put your piccy back on the forum for the girls & the odd bloke ( Just miss that dazzling smile) Ken Carps1000
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Apr 22, 2005 10:07:36 GMT -5
$&? It's a beautiful morning here in San Francisco. Wanted to comment on this song. This has always been a real favorite of mine. I love the fun beat, and the smooth, beautiful vocals of Karen. I often thought this was another "prophetic" lyric for KC to have sung on a release that occurred after her death. In particular the lyric "..anyone is welcomed there. No more calls beggin' my time - no more walls for me to climb - I need time out in the sunshine - (son-shine) - leavin' at dawn (early morning - interesting) after I'm gone, life'll go on - someone's gonna take my place, runnin' in the human race.." I think this is the song, when I heard it, that spoke to me, actually Karen speaking to me saying "Tim - I'm in a good place - I'm happy, and I'm having a wonderful time." I miss her every day, and that beautiful voice - and this song is just one of hundreds that are wonderful, but this lilting tune is just a great pick-me-up for me. Hope everyone is well. Thanks for your kind words, Enigma. I'll be posting with a vengence as soon as we get back home. Leaving California on Sunday a.m. Ciao! Tim  |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 22, 2005 22:04:50 GMT -5
 I think this is the song, when I heard it, that spoke to me, actually Karen speaking to me saying "Tim - I'm in a good place - I'm happy, and I'm having a wonderful time." I miss her every day, and that beautiful voice - and this song is just one of hundreds that are wonderful, but this lilting tune is just a great pick-me-up for me. Tim Wow what a profound thought Tim. Yes, Karen is truly at peace. I do love the lyrics of this song and the upbeat feel. It has a quaint sort of charm and personality. Miss hearing from you Tim. I hope all is well with you. Look forward to hearing more from you soon. |
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Post by cam83 on Apr 22, 2005 23:09:27 GMT -5
Hey Rick, You didn't answer Carps1000 question.... Cam |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 23, 2005 0:23:23 GMT -5
Hey Rick, You didn't answer Carps1000 question.... Cam Nah, decided to give the picutre a rest and display one of Karen instead. I may put up an older one from 1985 just for fun. I need to go through my picture collection. |
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Post by YesterdayOnceMore on Apr 23, 2005 11:59:31 GMT -5
Wow what a profound thought Tim. Yes, Karen is truly at peace. I do love the lyrics of this song and the upbeat feel. It has a quaint sort of charm and personality. Miss hearing from you Tim. I hope all is well with you. Look forward to hearing more from you soon.  VOTH just spoke to me in many ways. Every song, though not all are my favorites, spoke to me, somehow. It was actually very difficult listening to this one the first time - just anticipating what I might hear. And, there were many tears during this first listen - however, I have so many wonderful favorites from VOTH - it's become one of my all time favorite compilations. Going to the Cliff House for brunch today, and then to Golden Gate Park - leaving on the red-eye out of SFO at 12:40 a.m. in the morning, and on to St. Louis, where we'll pick up our little Maltese, and then drive back to Springfield. Thanks for your words, Rick - I'm looking forward to getting back to posting! Miss everyone, and all this discussion. Soon, and very soon... "..maybe, if you feel like it, too - you might like to make the run..sailin' over the ocean to my beautiful island in the sun!" ~all my best, Tim  |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 23, 2005 15:08:47 GMT -5
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Post by cam83 on Apr 23, 2005 17:22:47 GMT -5
Hee Hee Hee Rich, You are right...it is not the most popular thought but it is your thought...and there might be some truth to it, as it is a POTPOURRI of Carpenters outtakes from the years, so not a standard Carpenters release of studio album output....BUT it is a collection of some of Karen's best works in terms of vocal quality. It showed that she had it in her to do an album or collection of different types of genre of music...standards...broadway...country...jazz...blues...songwriter pop etc...It shouldn't be rated among other Carpenters albums, but that said, it did recieve a lot of critical aclaim...and worldwide it must have gone several times platinum as it did well in other countries... My thoughts, Cameron |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 23, 2005 21:00:22 GMT -5
Hee Hee Hee Rich, You are right...it is not the most popular thought but it is your thought...and there might be some truth to it, as it is a POTPOURRI of Carpenters outtakes from the years, so not a standard Carpenters release of studio album output....BUT it is a collection of some of Karen's best works in terms of vocal quality. It showed that she had it in her to do an album or collection of different types of genre of music...standards...broadway...country...jazz...blues...songwriter pop etc...It shouldn't be rated among other Carpenters albums, but that said, it did recieve a lot of critical aclaim...and worldwide it must have gone several times platinum as it did well in other countries... My thoughts, Cameron Hi Cam! What you say is true. VOTH does span a few different genres. Though including various genres in one album is familiar territory for Carpenters. Look at the depth of different types of musical styles included on "Now & Then", "Horizon", "A Kind Of Hush" and especially "Passage". That's one thing about Carpenters. There is no arguing that they were certainly comfortable with different styles of songs. And Karen on her solo proved that she could take things even further. Yes, there are some really good songs on VOTH. But same with "As Time Goes By". I love that album but it is in no way even close to comparable to what they did throughout the 70's. again more of my thoughts... |
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Post by enigma on Apr 24, 2005 6:56:07 GMT -5
OK my two cents for what its worth. VOTH is not my favorite album but not my least favorate album that goes to AKOH. I also love or like all Carpenters records but there are a few things about VOTH that keep it from endearing itself as a whole. First sale wise it was sucessful but you will find that when an artist dies their catalogue sells more and having an album of "new" material come out so soon (too soon as far as I am concerned) after Karens death would garantee a good showing sales wise. Second the record itself is rather eratic the songs were taken from different time periods and it shows there is a lack of continuity in the record. Records such as Horizon had alot of different styles like VOTH but had a continuity throughout the record that VOTH lacked; VOTH almost seemd thrown together. Finally I generally see records like VOTH, Lovelines and ATGB as compilations, gifts to fans that bug Richard for unreleased material not proper albums. As far as I am concerned the last Carpenters record was MIA. This having been said I do appreciate the Gems on this record there are some fine songs and vocal performances by Karen though I do not consider them the best she ever did. As far as comparing VOTH to the 70's records its not a fair comparison Karen was not there for VOTH she was for the 70's records you cannot compare a collection of unreleased songs to any album let alone one that was done in the Carpenters "hey day" BTW Cam I realise this is one of your favorite Carpenters records and I do respect that dispite my less than flattering take on VOTH.    |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 24, 2005 10:20:59 GMT -5
Hi Cam and Enigma. I agree with bits and pieces of what both of you are saying.
Definitely this is a compilation of unreleased gems. Of the three compilations of previously unreleased material (VOTH, "Lovelines" and "As Time Goes By"). VOTH is my favorite. Though still none of these comps even come close to any of the 70's releases. This of course is for the reasons Enigma stated in the previous post.
Like Enigma VOTH is not my favorite but also not my least favorite - that goes to "Made In America" - but that's another topic.
As for VOTH containing some of Karen's best works pertaining to vocal quality I do not agree. I think Karen's best vocal work was done between 1972-1975. That in my mind was her zenith. But that's not to say that her voice became any less after 1975. The quality in her voice always remained. It's just on the records after 1975 she doesn't seem to have the same enthusiasm and energy in her voice. With the exception of her solo album - she was completely immersed in her solo album. Though beyond all this Even after 1976 Karen was still far superior to most any other vocalist out there.
Back to VOTH I do feel that "Ordinary Fool" does display Karen in top form. she did an outstanding job on this song. It should have been released when AKOH was released. The ommission of "Breaking Up Is Hard..." and addition of "Ordinary Fool" would have made AKOH a slightly stronger album. I have heard many people state that they feel "Now" is one of Karen's best vocals. Again I do not agree. I feel it's a good vocal. But there are too many parts where she is slightly out of range on this song. Same with "Look To Your Dreams", a beautiful song but again many places where Karen is out of her range. Neither song flows as smooth as songs like "Solitaire" or "Superstar".
Of course sighting "Now" is not really fair play. As "Now" is a scratch vocal not intended for release so this is the reason that maybe Karen's vocal on the song isn't her most dynamic or emotionally charged. Still the same a very good vocal - just a bit rough around the edges.
As for VOTH's popularity and good sales. I'd have to say VOTH really was not any more popular in the worldwide sense than any other album Carpenter released after 1976. "AKOH", "Paasage" and "Made In America" all went top ten in England. The same three albums were huge hits in Japan.
After all is said and done I still do like VOTH.
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Post by Carps1000 on Apr 24, 2005 11:41:04 GMT -5
Rick & everyone else how could you. V O T H. was in my opinion one of the truly best Cs albums. The selection, vareity wise was 1000% & Ks voice was beaut...I remeber putting it on for the very 1st time & I was in awe it was so good & I was still greiving for Kare too so if it had been crap I would have shrugged & thought "Oh dear" but it wasnt & it is still one of my faves. Yep every one to their own opinion...& yep it was a selection of unreleased stuff, but god it was a good selection....Just my thoughts....EH CAM83...Me thinks Rick is goin all shy over his piccys...What say you pal? Ken Carps1000 who lives in the UK so U dont have to & wishes he didnt as its always raining |
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Post by Rick Henry on Apr 24, 2005 22:01:37 GMT -5
Rick & everyone else how could you. V O T H. was in my opinion one of the truly best Cs albums. The selection, vareity wise was 1000% & Ks voice was beaut...I remeber putting it on for the very 1st time & I was in awe it was so good & I was still greiving for Kare too so if it had been crap I would have shrugged & thought "Oh dear" but it wasnt & it is still one of my faves. Yep every one to their own opinion...& yep it was a selection of unreleased stuff, but god it was a good selection....Just my thoughts....EH CAM83...Me thinks Rick is goin all shy over his piccys...What say you pal? Ken Carps1000 who lives in the UK so U dont have to & wishes he didnt as its always raining  Gotta love you Ken. Putting me in my place! Okay, okay back to VOTH. I never said it was a bad album. I justjust don't think that it's on the level of "great" such as "Horizon" or "A Song for You". I think VOTH is a excellent collection of songs but that's the extent of it. I do understand and recognize the improtance of VOTH and also "Now". After all "Now" does come from Karen's last known recording session. This is a big deal. This is an important song. There is significance behind this song. What's more musically and lyrically the song is outstanding and Karen's vocal is fantastically beautiful. But at the same point I don't feel this song ranks within the Carpenters' greatest songs. I feel "Now" ranks somewhere in the middle. Not their worst but not their best. p.s. To Ken. There you go Ken you're persistence paid off. I posted another picture of myself. This one is from 1989 actually probably 1990. Oh and by the way Ken. I'm glad I don't live in UK I wouldn't be able to handle the rain. We're all too spoiled here in sunny Southern California. |
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Post by Moe on Apr 25, 2005 3:21:43 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, back to the original topic of "Sailing on the Tide." I think the song is a wonderful, breezy tune that puts me on the ocean, floating around with no cares in the world and the breezes blowing all over me. I also like that the background vocals were already finished by Karen and Richard and that makes the song more complete. ...which brings me to a comment on VOTH. I agree that this isn't the Carpenters' best or worst album. There are some wonderful songs on the disc, but the choir used for the background vocals, is really out of place, with the exception of "Look to your Dreams." "Two Sides" and "At the end of a song" are wonderful songs that loses their pop edge to the choir. Ordinary fool, Now, and Look to your Dreams are all classics, to me. I was still very upset about Karen when the album was released and this "new" music brought me a lot of comfort and joy.
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